Sexual Harrassment Questionnaire
Just had the newest attempt to weed out Sexual Harrasment in my intray. Was sooooooo disappointed to see that it concentrated on women only. When is the military (and society, incidentally) going to learn that things are pretty much evened-out right now and it happens to blokes as well as women?
Not wishing to incite a Big Brother-esque argument, but what are your thoughts (chaps and chapesses)??? I've not been in as long as many of the regular PPRuNeers, but as far as I've seen (and I'm part of the flying training system right now), women have used their position to get their own way (as have blokes I know). Is it time to address the issue from an even standpoint or do people out there still believe that things are one sided??? :( :( :( |
Olly Dear chap
can you put this questionaire or a ref to it on line for the rest of us to peruse? I know excactly what you are talking about but have not seen the appropriate document. Bye the way for what it is worth, if you are still in the training system and the questionaire has ANY form of number on it then just answer according to what they want to hear, tell them what your head says NOT what your heart says! Tigs Edited for the post below (as three of us posted in the space of 2 mins!) Whirlygig Good post Samurai I dont understand at all:confused: :confused: |
Here's an true anecdote from my days as an auditor; about 17 years ago!! I worked as an audit senior for a well-known manufacturer of filing cabinets whose name bears the place of manufacture! I had, working with me, a young lad fresh from university as my junior trainee. As part of the audit he had to cross the paint shop which was virtually staffed by women. I thought nothing of it until the poor boy came back in nearly in tears.
Now I thought the main shop floor of blokes was bad until this chap told me what these women had said as he walked past. In the end, I had to have "a little word" with the fore(wo)man and ask her to tell the women to give the boy a break. So yes, it can work both ways BUT it is not usual. In most circumstances of sexual harrassment, it comes from a senior person down to a junior and MOST senior positions, whether military or otherwise, are still held by men. The nature of general characteristics should be considered here and one to one sexual harrassment by a woman to a man must be very rare indeed. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but rare it is. Men also have the tacit advantage of physical strength and that is something that many women will fear, even in the workplace. However, what I appreciate is difficult for anyone to judge, is what what person finds acceptable banter, another may be upset and offended by. I hope it doesn't go too far. I do not think I have ever been the subject of sexual harrassment; probably because most men wouldn't dare! But it could also be that I have a higher tolerance threshold than others. But any behaviour that upsets someone else needs to be considered and addressed, preferably by the person themself rather than have them running off to their manager or worse, HR! Cheers Whirls |
"As part of the audit he had to cross the paint shop which was virtually staffed by women. I thought nothing of it until the poor boy came back in nearly in tears. Now I thought the main shop floor of blokes was bad until this chap told me what these women had said as he walked past."
What on earth could they have said to the poor little mite? "Is that only a 4 inch brush"? "Would yer like to be glossed over"? "Fancy a bit of a rub down"? "Come an' do what it says on the tin"? "My mate says can you come and primer"? ;) |
Er, well, yes. And worse. Sadly this lad didn't have the experience of your 8 decades and had lead a sheltered life and was quite distressed by it.
Cheers Whirls |
Whirls
"I do not think I have ever been the subject of sexual harassment; probably because most men wouldn't dare!" It's not a case of wouldn't dare, it's the fact that men have been so totally emasculated by the comfy shoe wearers and the subsequent disciplinary mire that any form of office banter is now likely to result in that is now simply not an option:rolleyes: What a lovely pink and fluffy world we now live in:( |
For what it's worth, mine went straight into the recycling bin..
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Originally Posted by cooheed
(Post 3079833)
For what it's worth, mine went straight into the recycling bin..
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Originally Posted by Always_broken_in_wilts
(Post 3079793)
It's not a case of wouldn't dare, it's the fact that men have been so totally emasculated by the comfy shoe wearers and the subsequent disciplinary mire that any form of office banter is now likely to result in that is now simply not an option
It's sad that men now feel they've been emasculated; I hope you don't mean that "masculated" gives you carte blanch to make unwanted advances and comments to those who might find it distressing. The corollary to that is that it WAS tough working in a male environment in the 80s - I hope we don't have a backlash and a return to the "old days". Cheers Whirls |
Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator
(Post 3079839)
I presume it would have been anonymous. Don't be surprised when you get a hastener.:}
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Originally Posted by cooheed
(Post 3079858)
What, invisible unique bar codes on each and every one sent out? They wouldn't...... would they.......:} :E
Just DOB :\ Filled in a different DOB and sure enough we got hasteners as our survey forms had not been returned.:} Bin. |
Quote: Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator I presume it would have been anonymous. Don't be surprised when you get a hastener. What, invisible unique bar codes on each and every one sent out? They wouldn't...... would they....... Duly filled it in with similar answers to the first effort but with the query at the end asking if they were going to keep sending me these forms until I replied with the answers they were looking for. Olly - if you are in the trg system and you feel as though it is your duty not to bin the questionnaire, be a good chap toe the party line and tick the right boxes, even if in your heart of heart you know it's the wrong box. Anonymous surveys don't exist in the RAF! |
Melchette
Here Here!:ok: |
Been waiting 20 odd years for sexual harrasment from Wrafs ... still waiting!!!! :{ too old now :confused:
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I am in the training system, but as a Nazi. Bugger, didn't think about it not being anonymous - there's me being all trustworthy! Bang goes the promotion - wrote something not very PC in the "General Comments" box and fired it back. It's either sitting on someone's desk with a big post-it note on it or, as I assumed it would be totally ignored, has probably gone in the bin.
Whirly - I'm right there with you - there is definitely no place for sexual harassment (whichever way around it manifests itself), but I was just so annoyed at the direction of the questionnaire. Having seen a female student promise to tell a fellow instructor's fiance that they were having an affair if she wasn't helped through I think it certainly exists both ways around. Incidentally, she was VERY drunk and denied it ever happened. :mad: |
Originally Posted by Olly O'Leg
(Post 3079974)
and denied it ever happened.
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Olly, at the bottom of this thread you'll see a link to a similar thread in Rotorheads.
I deplore the way some women use sex as a weapon; THAT is the one thing that turns the whole harrassment issue on its head. However, I'm just as guilty - I once said that I don't care who I sleep with, to have a go at flying a Chinook. Got no offers though :( so deal now withdrawn! Cheers Whirls |
I don't understand what you're talking about ratty1, please can you explain it to me?
Cheers Whirls |
Head, Whirls surely you get that, I mean for most women I know it's a given:E ........... which is why ratty was implying that it's not a very good pun to introduce into a sexual harrasment thread:p
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No sorry, ABIW, you'll have to explain it.
Cheers Whirls |
As one of the Sqn mates said at Flag in front of about 140 Americans during a very non-PC moment:
"If I want to say 'Head', I'll say 'Head', if I want to say 'Box', I'll say 'Box' and if I want to say 'B**w Job', I'll use the word 'Fellatio'. Any questions?"! :D |
No sorry, ABIW, you'll have to explain it. explaination would be too difficult...:E |
OK Whirls here we go,
"Head" is the term that all late 80's porn stars used to describe the act of giving/receiving fellatio or cunnilingus, pick and tell us which you prefer:E I really want to type more on this subject but I suspect I will be in front of the comfortable shoe wearers if I do! |
Thank you ABIW!
I was just leading you into a sexual harrasment trap 'cos, you see, I wear comfy shoes; boots to be precise! Cheers Whirls |
Whirls,
Damn as I see you are now a self confessed bean flicker disregard fellatio from my original question. :ok: |
Cunnilingus? I tend to avoid Irish airlines.
Fellatio? Never been a big fan of the Italian renaissance artists. I do hope you're not sexually harrassing me 'cos I know Wiltshire pretty well! Cheers Whirls 'Ere - you've just edited your post! I DO hope you're not implying that just because I'm an accountant, I am some deviant! |
My dear Whirls will not tolerate sexual harrassment. She will however, grade and critique it.
ABIW.....you have picked the exact wrong personn to spar with. She does in fact wear boots....big heavy stout boots....and they are made for walking as the Lady sang.:uhoh: In more casual settings she trades industrial brogans for gold lame' Go-Go boots and puts her curls up into a Beehive hair do....but she still retains the ability to deliver a very effective Glasgow Kiss when needed. That ABIW is about the only "head" you'll get off my dear Whirls!:) |
...and Sassy dahling.... I forgive you for the cheap jibe you made about my age; just 'cos I had a birthday this week!
Cheers Whirls |
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator
(Post 3079839)
I presume it would have been anonymous. Don't be surprised when you get a hastener.:}
On my Race Equalty questionaire during the mid 90's, I ticked the boxes to make me a white, African with pink hair and 2 heads - alright - I ticked every box!! Funny thing is, despite the questionaire being anonymous, they wrote to me with another questionaire saying that mine had been received damage/illegible!! Anonymous my elbow! Still, how many Flt Lts can there be in the GD branch, with 10 years service, married, serving in England,, with 2 kids, etc etc etc as those questionares always start off..................... |
I only got as far as the front page, something about yet another harassment survey.
I sent it back on Friday with a note saying that I have had enough of being harassed to fill in c£@p pointless surveys which waste my valuable time. I guess I can expect to receive another one in the post sometime, going by all the comments re the anonymity of such surveys. Y_G |
During my time in a blue suit I bashed a haggis in the No. 1 Bomber Group Pipes and Drums. We once played for a graduation parade at Spitalgate, the WRAF basic training station just outside Grantham. I needed some cigarettes and wolked into the NAAFI - in full highland dress - an interesting experience to say the least. A lone male in a kilt walking innocently into a room full of a couple of hundred women. I never knew they could be so..... er, crude.
The thing is, many women living in a 'mans world' like the armed forces have to learn to put up with a similar experience day in, day out and I know at first hand that it isn't much fun. I've never tolerated any 'teasing' of women in the sections that I've had under my supervision over the years since I fled from Spitalgate NAAFI and I didn't need any PC paperwork to encourage me. |
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