Hello sangiovese,

Just researching how to locate and buy a copy of the RAF AP 3456A. I know it was some years ago now, but if you by chance still have any of these volumes, I would be very interested in buying them.

Kind regards,

Camber

I suspect that the AP is based on the publically available book "The Mechanics of Flight" by A.C.Kermode. Many of the diagrams and explanations in that book are those in AP3456, or should that be many of the diagrams in AP3456 are in Kermode.

ISBN 978-0-273-77351-1

A C Kermode's book is available to view online here:

http://soaneemrana.org/onewebmedia/M...%20KERMODE.pdf

Whilst we're at it Alfred Coterill Kermode started off as a pilot in WWI in the RNAS before transferring to the RAF. He was one of the founding minds at the world-beating No 1 School of Technical Training at RAF Halton, where one of the main buildings is named after him, he was also one of the founding members of the Halton Aero Club that is still going strong after 92 years. After serving in WII as well he finished his service at the rank of AVM. His biggest legacy being this book and RAF Halton.

...and Flight Without Formulae was also an important part of his legacy.

The FAA have some very good books in PDFs format on line if anyone is interested, see

https://www.faa.gov/regulations_poli...t_handbook.pdf

And

https://www.faa.gov/regulations_poli...books_manuals/

Best book for aerodynamics is 'Aircraft Flight' by Barnard and Philpott. Concise, clear and excellent for someone doing their A2 - which is why I bought it. I also bought a copy for my son when he started his Aerospace Engineering course.

Thanks dan!

I'm going for my A2 in the not to distant future so that'll help. Don't suppose you (or anyone else) knows of any other books which would be a good read for A2 work up?

Camber, if you call the number for the ap3456 editor which was posted earlier in the thread, I'm sure the editor will help. I've always found them very helpful. If the number doesn't work, I can dig out the correct one when I'm back in work. Also, I seem to recall transair used to sell ap3456. Not sure if that's the case now.

Yes, my own A2 notes! :-) I did my A2 a while ago, but I suspect the laws of aerodynamics - and the A2 syllabus haven't changed since then!

PM me with a real e-mail address.

I refused to consider the A2 until a proper syllabus had been written - before then it was often a case of "I know more questions than you know answers", particularly from the old guard at BSS Topcliffe.

So when an A2 syllabus did appear, I got on with it. My pencil handwritten notes also included a few extra bits of theory (such as why minimum drag speed is theoretically equal to 1.32 minimum power speed - something CFS groundschool couldn't prove) and I decided that there was no way I was going to do that much work more than once. So despite some of the 'instruction' at BSS, I went down to sunny Scampton and found the actual A2 test a breeze.

So many people later copied my pencilled notes that the photocopier feed roller became covered in graphite and had to be cleaned professionally!

The original CFS books were quite useful - although there was an important bit missing from Machmeter theory (really useful for the Bulldog!), relating static pressure and density. At BSS, one of the QFIs was working up for his A1 and was baffled by this - perhaps because I provided the explanation he gave me an easy ride through the groundschool element of the A2 work up?

Good luck with your A2, Professor Plum; top tip - remember "HOW" when briefing your pretend Bloggs, not "WHAT"!

And don't spend the A2 pay rise too quickly....;)

Beagle,

Thanks! Looking forward to the A2 pay rise ...... my extra captains pay just isn't enough anymore! :ok:

Neither was my Training Captain nor IRE's pay!

;)

I still don't know what was wrong with AP129. :)

Bernard & Philpott were both lecturers on my aero eng degree course, the latter was my project supervisor - my unappreciative student mind certainly didn't acknowledge their expertise as authors of a standard work on aerodynamics!

Hello,
I know time has long past since your 2002 post re the AP3456 series, 1965 editions. If by some remote chance you still have them and are still like to sell, then I'm very interested. I'm an ex RAAF pilot/instructor, and this would be a great addition to my library.