Hmmmm, wonder what his auth'd MSD was?
Could it possibly be some kind of Tesseral departure or trg for it? Without too many details, clearly.
Or just another Rogue Aviator in the making??? (Holland B-52 case study)
Uncle G

The F3 video reminds me of what happens each week on a Thursday morning just south of Plymouth. If the Hawks are above the hanger door then they are not trying hard enough.

good article on Bud Holland here

Uncle Ginsters and ChristopherRobin's links provide very sober reading and for me, throw a very different light on the subject .... :hmm:

maybe the era of the advent of the 'on-line video' will lead to an international game of 'beat that'...

To paraphrase a previous thread: is that a shadow underneath the KC135 or a certain much-missed Mr Hanna? ;)

Similar situation back in the 60s but with a new Mk II Victor. Chap had the same name too.

I might question its authenticity. There's just something about the way it moves that's a little jerky like it sems to move sideways early on. And how come there's no sand getting kicked up?

I checked the shadows and they seem to match, though if you pause it at 00:00:04 the viewer is directly between the a/c and the sun, yet some of the bushes don't seem to quite line up.

Dunno really.

And Neil Armstrong in the background placing that flag in the sand next to that moon buggy....

Who would go to all that trouble to fake such a clip? It'd be easier to just pay the pilot !!

Its real. I enjoyed it, it was obviously planned and well done.

I came across a video tonight showing the full B-52 incident from the GA to Stall and then impact .....

http://www.1001crash.com/telechvideo...2_fc-lg-2.html

(hit Link to download)

It almost looked like controlled flight into the ground. Having read the case study and now seen the video I wonder whether this was possibly even deliberate?

The downwind approach seemed to be slow with lots of rudder to keep the nose up. But then I am not a stick and rudder monkey.

What is the difference in the references to the B-52 crash, and posting links, and the angst expressed about the Glenview Vulcan crash and sparing of families?

I will freely admit I know little of the Glenview crash and the reasons for it nor am I asking for anyone to divulge them here. However, the concern expressed for the Vulcan crew's families is mentioned, yet this BUFF crash is fair game?

Brick .... my link to the B-52 incident really needs to be viewed in parallel with Uncle Ginsters and ChristopherRobin's links above ......

I have to confess I've always been impressed by Videos like the KC-135 and for example the French Video "Extreme altitude is prohibited" as examples of of extreme airmanship/ability but I think this thread has indicated to me how another view may apply ......

I personally find the B-52 incident desperately sad in particular because of the loss of such experienced and senior airmen ..... I recognise that lessons from it have to be learned .....

hobie, thanks. My question was not criticism of anyone. Simply asking if the same standards apply. If so, then no worries. And if not, then it's my problem.......

Along the same lines of 'same standards,' it could be asked as to why we find a FJ doing extreme low level cool (and it is!) and yet we wag our fingers when a heavy does it? (Although in an earlier post, I said it was 'cool.' And it is!)

Simple really, the FJ jock is probably on his own and if he decides to plough up a field then it's his fault.... The heavy driver and FJ with a backseater has his crew along for the ride and the responsibilities that go with that.... don’t suppose for one second they want to go bouncing across a field even if the driver does.
Cool it may be, and to be honest the vid's are, it ain't cool when it goes wrong.

I will say...
 

that being that low and that fast in a -135 might be a bit extreme and bit unnerving, partculary when you consider how little yoke movement it takes to drop a few feet at that speed. Unwise in my cosidered (and 2900 hrs. of -135 time) opinon

Hehe we've made it into flight!

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...t+at+10ft.html

"A video clip posted on a French video sharing site of a Boeing KC-135 tanker flying at around 10ft (3m) altitude over a patch of desert has caused confusion over the location of its filming (below).

The clip, uploaded by user James93 at the Amateur Aviation section of Dailymotion.com puports to show a desert in France on 22 November 2006, with a Stratotanker flying at levels so low, it has attracted sever criticism on aviation enthusiast web forums.

However, metropolitan France has no true deserts, although the French air force has test facilities in the island of Corsica, North Africa and Dijbouti."

Well done folks, we're all famous!

Hey Wingnut, I thought at THAT height you could pretty much push forward on the control column and the 'bow wave' would prevent the nose kicking in :\

Well that's the theory anway. It's got me bewildered how anyone ever discovered that on other types (generally smaller jets). Seriously, what would make someone even try that? A bad day on the JPA computer system?

Nothing very new here.
'Rogue Aviators' are with us today as they always have been. They continue to threaten the lives of others, as well as themselves, because of the enthusiasm of their peers (as demonstrated in the preceding posts) for this particularly stupid indulgence in the 'Look at ME' culture. It is the aviation equivalence of the juvenile toerags who destroy lives in 'joyride' thefts. It demonstrates the same level of maturity and has the same social value. Why am I so violently anti? Not too difficult to understand when you have had to recover your predecessor's flying kit from the remains of the crash which killed him and two other souls. The 'accident' was the last of a sequence of 'events' which mirrored those of the B52 'Ace of the Base' having been repeated over the previous years and gone unreported by his squadron 'mates' "because he was such a good pilot". There will be those of you out there who will be aware of just this set of circumstances in respect of one (or more) of your colleagues. Will you have the guts (moral and otherwise) to 'whistle blow' or will you wait for the (inevitable) final act and THEN wring your hands? From experience, it's not difficult to work out the answer!!

I don't know what it had to do with anything in particular but we were shown an F14 carrier flypast with the thing in high-speed mode during the Aerodynamics phase of our ATPL ground school. As it came abeam the boat the pilot racked it over into a 90° bank, when it disintegrated. Cue big ball of flame and little bits of airplane falling out of same. We were told it was a celebration of the end of the pilot's cruise. Well, yes!

I always get that sinking feeling when I hear, 'Hey! Watch this!'