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+'ve ROC 29th Sep 2006 15:45

RAF - the 'junior' service?
 
Why is it that the RAF is considered the junior of the three services?

Kitbag 29th Sep 2006 15:47

Errr'm 'cos it's not been around as long as the other two dinosaurs?

PompeySailor 29th Sep 2006 16:09

Because it hasn't got traditions, it's got habits.:p

teeteringhead 29th Sep 2006 16:14

Or the "Cinderella" service because ........;)

The Helpful Stacker 29th Sep 2006 16:15


"In any future conflict it must be recognised that the RAF is the senior service. Today, the effectiveness of air power shows this to be true."

Winston Churchill
The Royal Navy ceased to be the senior service the day captial ships became the ones that a/c flew off rather than the boats with all the big guns.:ok:

PompeySailor 29th Sep 2006 16:36


Originally Posted by The Helpful Stacker (Post 2879725)
The Royal Navy ceased to be the senior service the day captial ships became the ones that a/c flew off rather than the boats with all the big guns.:ok:

Winston was talking about the age of the guys serving. You know it's bad when you put a bunch of RN CPO Comms Techs into an RAF Mess and the average age only drops to 53.......

Maple 01 29th Sep 2006 17:26

Nice try fish-boy but all your base are belong to us!

PompeySailor 29th Sep 2006 18:11


Originally Posted by Maple 01 (Post 2879846)
Nice try fish-boy but all your base are belong to us!

I know - baiting the crabs on their own turf is like loitering around papalsupremacy.com and advertising condoms........


(but it still has to be done!)

cazatou 29th Sep 2006 18:54

Pompey Sailor,

Perhaps you should do some research before you sound off. Bearing
in mind that he was "First Sea Lord" (and responsible for the Gallipoli fiasco) he was one of the first to see the advantages of Air Power. One must admit, however, that his support of the Tank Corps in 1918 in preferance to the RFC/RAF was an abberation.
Perhaps the fact that "Tank" trials had initially been undertaken by the Navy coloured his view!!

PompeySailor 29th Sep 2006 19:01


Originally Posted by cazatou (Post 2879972)
Pompey Sailor,

Perhaps you should do some research before you sound off. Bearing
in mind that he was "First Sea Lord" (and responsible for the Gallipoli fiasco) he was one of the first to see the advantages of Air Power. One must admit, however, that his support of the Tank Corps in 1918 in preferance to the RFC/RAF was an abberation.
Perhaps the fact that "Tank" trials had initially been undertaken by the Navy coloured his view!!

The sarcasm was lost in translation perhaps?:ugh:

SRENNAPS 29th Sep 2006 19:08

lets face it, if it was up to the Navy we would still be living in caves. If it was up to the Army we would still live in mud huts.

It is only the RAF service that has embraced technology and move forward; the other two have merely just tried to keep up.:hmm:

sense1 29th Sep 2006 19:24


Originally Posted by WPH (Post 2880001)
Cazatou,
It's called small man syndrome. Being the smallest of the 3 services with several of their major projects in the balance, the demise of the fixed wing part of the FAA, not much contribution in current conflicts etc etc they feel the need to make themselves feel better by baiting the other services and calling themselves 'The Senior Service' as often as possible and trying to have a disproportionate representation on Military Aircrew forums!
Just try and humour them please!

Good lad! I couldn't agree more! The so called senior service, like there should be an order of seniority anyway. And based on age - if that was a worthy way in which to rate 'seniority' - then my 18 inch, half a ton, sanyo television that takes up a 1/4 of my living room and thats 2 metres deep is obviously better than my 32 inch, HD TV that is gloriously slim, light and good looking..... slim, light and good looking - just like most RAF servicemen in comparison to their navy counterparts - and worth more too! 'Senior Service' - :mad: off!

PompeySailor 29th Sep 2006 20:10


Originally Posted by WPH (Post 2880001)
Cazatou,

It's called small man syndrome. Being the smallest of the 3 services with several of their major projects in the balance, the demise of the fixed wing part of the FAA, not much contribution in current conflicts etc etc they feel the need to make themselves feel better by baiting the other services and calling themselves 'The Senior Service' as often as possible and trying to have a disproportionate representation on Military Aircrew forums!

Just try and humour them please!

Did you know that we currently have 52% of the total manpower in Iraq? Plus we have just taken over Herrick with the RMs? Amazing, the public also assume that if it flies, it's RAF, if it wears combats, it's the Army.

Unappreciated, we are.

SASless 29th Sep 2006 20:13

Winston did like his drink....perhaps he was a bit muddled that day!

PompeySailor 29th Sep 2006 20:16


Originally Posted by sense1 (Post 2880026)
....than my 32 inch, HD TV that is gloriously slim, light and good looking..... slim, light and good looking - just like most RAF servicemen....

...and currently only services a niche market, requiring constant updating and renewing to make it current!

How many HD-compliant channels are there at the moment? 4? 5?

mustflywillfly 29th Sep 2006 20:38

Now Now
 
And can I just remind all you crabs that the only service to shoot another aircraft down since WWII is yes, that's right, the Navy. You Crabs have more resources then us fish heads and always have done. The Sea Harrier was the only true fighter aircraft for many many years and you ask any pongo or booty who has served in NI and they will tell you that if you ask the Jungly boys you can guarantee a lift home, you ask the crabs and it's a little foggy then forget it!!!

Ooooh it's all good inter-service banter!! I actually think we all do a bloody stirling job with the kit we are provided! Lets stop bickering at each other, grow up a bit and get on with the jobs we are all lucky enough to still have.:O

MFWF

movadinkampa747 29th Sep 2006 20:46


Originally Posted by mustflywillfly (Post 2880121)
And can I just remind all you crabs that the only service to shoot another aircraft down since WWII is yes, that's right, the Navy.

Rubbish!!!!!!! In 1982 RAF Jaguar GR1 XX963/AL of 14 Sqn was Shot down 35 mile3s north east of Bruggen, West Germany by a sidewinder missile fired by a RAF Phantom. The pilot ejected. So you see the RAF have shot something down since WW2:E

junglyking 29th Sep 2006 20:53

Light blue on light blue...?

Two's in 29th Sep 2006 22:19

Anyone who has to actually tell you they are the Senior Service misses the point completely, it's a bit like people who have to tell you that they are in charge. It's either obvious or it's not.

Melchett01 29th Sep 2006 22:23


And can I just remind all you crabs that the only service to shoot another aircraft down since WWII is yes, that's right, the Navy.
And the only service also to run into Australia :\ But I guess that's another story :eek:


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