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SASless 8th Aug 2006 14:29

Should we order DEFCON 1 for August 22nd?
 
WSJ: Scholar Warns Iran's Ahmadinejad May Have 'Cataclysmic Events' In Mind For August 22
Tue Aug 08 2006 10:22:35 ET

In a WALL STREET JOURNAL op-ed Tuesday, Princeton's Bernard Lewis writes: "There is a radical difference between the Islamic Republic of Iran and other governments with nuclear weapons. This difference is expressed in what can only be described as the apocalyptic worldview of Iran's present rulers."

"In Islam as in Judaism and Christianity, there are certain beliefs concerning the cosmic struggle at the end of time -- Gog and Magog, anti-Christ, Armageddon, and for Shiite Muslims, the long awaited return of the Hidden Imam, ending in the final victory of the forces of good over evil, however these may be defined."

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad "and his followers clearly believe that this time is now, and that the terminal struggle has already begun and is indeed well advanced. It may even have a date, indicated by several references by the Iranian president to giving his final answer to the US about nuclear development by Aug. 22," which this year corresponds "to the 27th day of the month of Rajab of the year 1427. This, by tradition, is the night when many Muslims commemorate the night flight of the prophet Muhammad on the winged horse Buraq, first to 'the farthest mosque,' usually identified with Jerusalem, and then to heaven and back (c.f., Koran XVII.1).

"This might well be deemed an appropriate date for the apocalyptic ending of Israel and if necessary of the world. It is far from certain that Mr. Ahmadinejad plans any such cataclysmic events precisely for Aug. 22. But it would be wise to bear the possibility in mind."

Gainesy 8th Aug 2006 14:46

Winged horse? Yeah, right.:hmm:

FFP 8th Aug 2006 14:50

It's true ! I've seen a pic of one. It's called pegasus I think !!!!

God help us all . . . . . .. (whoever he / she / it / they may be)

I'm on leave on the 22nd . . .. so I'm ok :ok:

microlight AV8R 8th Aug 2006 14:51

SAS,

Get down in your bunker mate and we'll let you know when it's all clear.

If you're struggling for rations, go to the local store and acquire a load of honey as it has an indefinite shelf life.

Three feet of earth cover should give a protective factor of at least x1000. Stay down there for a fortnight, then you can come out for brief periods for the next month or so. After that, wash fruit and veg thoroughly to decontaminate. Don't eat the 6 legged cows.

Good luck :cool:

Edit: Excessive sideslip by No.2 finger

Op Tastic 8th Aug 2006 14:52

I am on leave that day.

SASless 8th Aug 2006 15:26

I am not too worried....the prevailing winds here are from the West....thus unless they hit the land of fruits, flakes, and nuts.....I am okay!

Talking Radalt 8th Aug 2006 15:30


Originally Posted by Op Tastic
I am on leave that day.

Bollox. I'm Gd Cdr. :uhoh:

Washington_Irving 8th Aug 2006 17:01


In a WALL STREET JOURNAL op-ed
Upon reading this, the appropriate Immediate Action Drill is to don a tinfoil hat and suspend all belief until reaching the the bottom of the page, at which time said page should be used to collect any and all dog faeces that may be on your lawn.

neilmac 8th Aug 2006 20:33

eeeek Guard cmdr
 
Talking Radalt ur doomed call the standby guard in..........they may see ur reasoning......or not!

Blacksheep 9th Aug 2006 04:11

If I was sitting on the target coordinates for a couple of hundred thermo-nuclear devices, I'd think twice about firing off one of my own. In the struggle between good and evil it can be difficult to work out which is which, but the universal general principle holds that Might is Right.

SASless 9th Aug 2006 04:34

How does one deal with a "Suicide Bomber" with a Nuke?

"Might" might not work in that scenario.

teeteringhead 9th Aug 2006 10:42


Winged horse? Yeah, right.
...bl:mad: dy 'ell ....

does that mean the Paras and 18 Sqn and 28 Sqn....

boogie-nicey 9th Aug 2006 11:21

Yeah "winged horse" and now it's a regular at the Windsor Horse show :}

green granite 9th Aug 2006 12:29


Originally Posted by Blacksheep
If I was sitting on the target coordinates for a couple of hundred thermo-nuclear devices, I'd think twice about firing off one of my own. In the struggle between good and evil it can be difficult to work out which is which, but the universal general principle holds that Might is Right.

Unfortuantly I don't think that Irans leaders think that way, nor will they worry about the death of a few million of their own in the retaliation thats bound to follow.

Zoom 9th Aug 2006 16:27

August 22nd?? Why, that's the 521st anniversary of the Battle of Bosworth Field, which took place not a million miles from here. There will be a re-enactment of the battle, which is usually very realistic and energetic, and I suppose things might just get out of hand. I shall don my helmet and breastplate just in case, and leap onto a horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse...............etc. Definitely DEFCON 1.

microlight AV8R 9th Aug 2006 16:32

Zoom ! I detect mockery in your post. Can't you see that we are having a serious discussion here.

Navaleye 9th Aug 2006 17:14

I can't help feel that coalition attached the wrong arab country. Taking out Iran first would have been preferable.

SASless 9th Aug 2006 17:25

Somehow I keep thinking France ought to have been a training stop on the way to Baghdad.

Flatus Veteranus 9th Aug 2006 17:49

Why not go to "Condef 1" or whatever anytime Bush has a bowel movement?
I don't suppose that would make much difference to the pathetic remnants of our strategic forces. Why not send our man in Tehran around to tell to the current Ayatolah i/c that any WMD outrage on 22 Aug (or indeed any other day) will result in the obliteration of the following list of cities/shrines: Tehran, Mecca.... That's about what the Soviet ambo did in 1978.

More seriously, the Brit intelligence community used to maintain some sort of credibilty by acting as referee between the various warring factions among their US colleagues. I fear this was destroyed by various chiefs of our intel agencies allowing themselves and their organisations to be corrupted politically during the lead-in to Gulf 2.

If intel is to regain any sort of credibility, an international agency of "wise men" is needed to moderate the various agencies.

GOLF_BRAVO_ZULU 9th Aug 2006 19:45

Let me get this straight. A Bernard from a big school in America reckons that, on 22/08/06, some unspecified 'Cataclysmic Events' are in the pipeline because of some quasi religious sudoku puzzle. The Mystical but Wily Oriental Gentlemen of Middle Eastebad have tickets for a "cosmic struggle" at the Flying Horse, near 2 hills outside Cambridge, all watched by some ****es. On the strength of that, we are all supposed to stock up the larder and stack some tinnies in; preferably under several feet of earth? I can't see where the MoD Contracts Form fits in, though.

I think I’m on leave that day as well.


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