I think that people need to realise that this is not realy about the hats topic, it is the fact that all the aircrew at ISK are working their buts off at home and in the desert, they have been hit over the past 2 years with so much nif naf and trivia that has driven morale down to absolute zero.
Before all people come in and say 'well you should leave' i did and not one person i spoke to berated me in any way. The general comment was that if they could do it they would.
I think this last decree was more like the straw that broke the camels back.
Many comments on this thread refer to being military and looking smart. Come on fellas we live in the 21st century, we are here as said before 'to provide air power'. I understand that many of the older generation and Army/Navy see smartness as promoting a picture of operational effectiveness, this is a flawed opinion in my view. The air force is completely different from what it was twenty /thirty years ago, different people and differnet tasks so you need to know this to comment on it. We need to have a contented workplace to work in which makes people work better at their own job. This is not the case.
Put my hard hat on now and wait for replies!:rolleyes:
P.S Southside how are your rose tinted spectacles?

I don't mind wearing a hat in a bus.

As long as the scuffers wear theirs when they walk the 50 yards from the police flight to the guard room. They are on show to the general public on that route and it's a lot further than the 3 yards Ops to bus trek!

Still, as long as the air force is concentrating on the important issues.

RR

PS Can't help feeling that a bluntie made the decision and the Staish just signed the order without reading it. Come on blunties, bring it on!

Priorities
 

With, I hope, a fairly detached view on this matter I think it is fine for the Stn Cdr to address this 'problem', if that is what it is to him, so long as there is nothing else wrong on the base. How many days does it take to get a Works service done on a building, or in what used to called married quarters? If any messes are working 24 hours to support the work of the station, is the food acceptable at all times of day and night. What is the standard of the station's support to the families of those on long detachments etc? If wearing hats in crew buses in his only problem then IKS must be a very efficient and happy station!

Mouse,

You shoudn't make assumptions on an open public forum.
This man has deeply upset Officers, non officers, civilians and volunteers on the station as well as many who live in the area that have come into contact with him. For some, a forum like this is the only way they can have their say without petty retribution.

It therefore follows that many people writing here do not have to even consider living up or down to your standards. However, if your standards sit in the same area as those of the CO of ISK, then I for one, have standards much higher.

Rank does not give a right to loyalty and respect. Those two items have to be earned. For those outside the military but who work and live close by them, petty actions by a senior officer are seen to be a disgrace by someone who is being paid by the tax payer..........and I'm not talking about wearing hats here as I'm on the side of, 'if it's part of the uniform, wear it'.

(If that last comment was meant for me, I really must change my name so as not to be confused with Southside....)

Same argument stands - let's talk about what is so different at ISK so as to make everyone there special so they can be scruffy if they choose. I do not agree that the RAF has changed so much that we don't need a Uniform anymore, if we have a uniform it should be worn properly. But apparently that is not the issue, so come on, what is the issue at ISK, why is everyone so much worse off than the rest of the RAF?

While we're on about standards, what has the CO of ISK got against the definite article?
http://www.kinloss-raf.co.uk/stncdr.htm
I'll get my coat ...

Many apologies south bound for confusing you with southside, probalby a good idea to change your name avoid the same misyake again!!!!

I never said that ISK is any worse off than other RAF station. Everyone is working their butts off but from talking to colleagues around the airforce who are working their butts off as well, they don't get the same amount of morale saping niff naff coming from a source that you would expect to have more important things to do. There seems to be an impression that all the aircrew walk around ISK in some sort of weird, concoction of uniform which is not true. As i said before it is not about 'hats' it is the culmination of stupid morale saping events that lead to this thread.

Hope this puts youat ease SOUTH BOUND. ( sorry about the south side thing again.):O

Can't spell "browse" in the last line either.........

My experience of such matters over a mind numbing 28 years is that that the hats issue is but the tip of a mighty iceberg. I suspect much more is going on here than can be revealed on a public forum. If people can find relief in whinging anonymously then magic our Morris! It works for me. As for the personal stuff? If you put yourself into the public domain then it goes with the territory, tough!

And oh yes, when leadership goes horribly wrong they tend to pick on niff naff to try and divert attention from the things that really matter!

:rolleyes:

Couldn't agree more. Especially your last paragraph. :ok:
Did someone say he was going to Eastern? Or is that just a rumour?

Could somebody pm me his name - having left a while ago, I'm curious to know which of my contempories is making such an a**e of himself. Aaaah! I miss it so much:rolleyes:

Sorry guys, I like the banter as much as anyone, but mud slinging at a named serving officer who cannot defend himself in a public forum is just not on. So please wind your necks in.

NEye
Exactly. That is precisely the point I have been making. As those slinging the mud also appear to be serving officers, they are the ones who have lost the plot. This thread is disgraceful.

Did you not learn anything on IOT?
 

The first lesson should have been "If you can't take a joke you really should not have joined."

Clearly the complainers have had an easy life munching pies/pizzas.

Time to wake up, smell the cordite, and get a life.

Agree Mouse- bit like the distasteful thread concerning the Scottish Gp Capt.
Mods please take note

Yep, talk about issues, don't bitch about people openly.

Quite right. In my day if the troops whined, I'd march them out into the snow for a few days - then they were only too glad to come back and scrub out a nice, warm sh1thouse. So, you lot ...
http://www.laurel-and-hardy-museum.c...ries/ollie.jpg
"Get your bleedin' 'ats on!"

I'm at a loss as to how anyone can come to the conclusion that those who are complaining are serving officers. Can someone explain the logic that is being used here?

This is a public forum and can be read and used by anyone in the public. Amazing as it may seem, there are people in this world who are not serving officers and gosh, not even members of the armed forces; who nevertheless, have a interest in military matters and whose lives are directly affected by those matters. Now surely some of you aren't suggesting that this part of the forum is a closed shop to all but those of serving rank are you?

It could well be that those people who are complaining have a genuine axe to grind and that this forum is their only way of doing so, without, as I have said before, the fear of petty retribution. There are many people whose jobs and livlihoods are combined with ISK. As, apparently, CO ISK is not averse to some overt mudslinging against those unable to defend themselves against his directives, it isn't surprising that this thread has taken the turn that it has.

Sorry to return to the subject of headgear :) but if the cap of ineptitude fits, then he that is inept shall end up wearing it.

Skeleton,

Sorry fella, I've tried but your posts are a nightmare!

There, their, they're.

Your, you're.

Please make a bit of an effort to use one of the above in the correct context every now and then.

Flap62 :) Love it. But your right!!