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Navaleye 15th Aug 2006 08:36

ruduarte forgets that the RN always has three CVS plus Ocean available at varying degrees of readiness. Arg has none with none ordered or planned.

ORAC 15th Aug 2006 08:50

Not_a_boffin,

That depends on the current status of the Varyag.

India also has a 40K ton class STOBAR carrier under construction in the Cochin shipyard, (designed by Fincantieri and due for delivery in 2012), planned to operate Mig-29Ks. I am sure they would be happy to build a couple more to amortise costs....

Not_a_boffin 15th Aug 2006 09:35

Fair points.

Varyag, but whether PLAN would wish to part with the asset without replacement is moot.

The Indian ADS has been in gestation for over 15 years - its always possible that they could build others, but even mods for AN use would knock it back a few years.

Navaleye 15th Aug 2006 09:43

Varyag is an engineless hulk that was left open to the atmosphere for a decade. She is little more than an engineering technology demonstrator for the Chinese. Lets face in a hot war, the Chinese navy would become target practice for US SSNs.

Not_a_boffin 15th Aug 2006 10:23

Tend to agree with you NEye, but they are certainly doing something with the ship at the minute. As you say though, one suspects in a warfighting situation a salvo of ADCAP would be the end result.

http://www.hms-vengeance.co.uk/farewell.htm

For anyone interested, this is what happened to the last South American Carrier to go out of service, ex HMS Vengeance, ex Minas Gerais of the Brazilian navy. There was a half-@rsed attempt to save her (the last RN carrier afloat to have served in WW2 - albeit briefly), but as you can see it came to naught. Hope the equivalent doesn't happen to XH558.

rduarte 15th Aug 2006 13:07

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9880/1b387271kx9.jpg

Argentinian project

Morever,the spaniards have a SAC-220 aircrafts carrier ready to sell(with cat).

Or France can buid one, even Argentina could build one.:D

Not_a_boffin 15th Aug 2006 13:29

I KNEW I was p1ssing in the wind!

Suspect that student project will share the same fate as the original Belgrano......

rduarte 15th Aug 2006 14:38

GB has 80 + ships in 1982, and within 5 years from now ? 15 ?:ugh:

Navaleye 15th Aug 2006 14:58

That will be 10 more than Argentina will have by then!

rduarte 15th Aug 2006 17:55

It will be the same number.:ok:

brickhistory 15th Aug 2006 18:04


Originally Posted by rduarte
It will be the same number.:ok:

Not really my area of expertise, but given the same number of combatants on each side in a UK v. Argentina match, I know where my money gets placed. And if wouldn't be in pesos!

Navaleye 15th Aug 2006 19:08

I think one Astute with a full loadout of Spearfish would sink the lot very quickly. There are SSNs and there are targets and Spearfish can seriously ruin your day. On the other side of the coin, I would have no problem in imagining that a war equipped CVF carrier battle group could strike the islands and the mainland at the same time and still leave a credible CAP to protect the fleet. Type 45 would turn the low level ops of 1982 into one way trips. The Argentines know it and this is why they are sabre rattling again while we are relatively weak.

Some additional reading here.

Tombstone 15th Aug 2006 19:34

Fear not, the mighty F3 is protecting the islands...

Last plane out leaves in 10 minutes! :E

rduarte 15th Aug 2006 22:39

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/9...endard5tl0.jpg

And about this one ?

Superd Etendard doing touch and go on 25 de Mayo. :D

brickhistory 15th Aug 2006 23:03


Originally Posted by rduarte
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/9...endard5tl0.jpg
And about this one ?
Superd Etendard doing touch and go on 25 de Mayo. :D


"Argie 01 final, 1.5, ball....oh, sh!t, the boat just sank!!!" :E

Navaleye 15th Aug 2006 23:24

The SuE is being phased out of service with the French Navy because it is obsolete. That capability is being replaced and improved upon by the Rafale. Argentina is unlikely to buy the Rafale.

The US have sunk Iwo Jima class ships with a single MK 48 ADCAP on SINKEX.

rduarte 15th Aug 2006 23:40

This mean 3 singles Mk-48 could sink the 3 british CVS,plus one for the Ocean:} :} :} :} :}

But still not enough obsolete to do his job.:=

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/1401/sue5kz7.jpg

rduarte 15th Aug 2006 23:44

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Originally Posted by brickhistory
"Argie 01 final, 1.5, ball....oh, sh!t, the boat just sank!!!" :E

It is not the 01 but the 07,you need some good glasses.

brickhistory 16th Aug 2006 00:08


Originally Posted by rduarte
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It is not the 01 but the 07,you need some good glasses.


And you, sir, need to get a clue. Tactical aircraft callsigns, in this case, the ficticious Argie 01, have very little to do with aircraft side numbers, in this case 07. Otherwise, it would be much easier to determine the order of battle of one's opponent.

But thanks for playing.............

rduarte 16th Aug 2006 00:23

It is nice to know, but in the CoAN ( CANA for you brits or morons? Even gringos),during training they called by the aircraft nº as for instance Lobo 07.:ugh:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/39/17tc4.jpg


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