6000ft of runway not enough
 

Does anyone know what the take off and landing distance is for a motor glider? Apparently 6000ft is not enough for a grob at a well know hampshire vgs.Runway lights got in the way?

The other a/c based there manage with only 6000ft of runway just fine, if its the VGS I believe it is.;)

ISTR a story told me by a civvy FI that he'd done 5 landings to qualify for a night rating on one pass of a long runway (could have been Stansted) back in in the 70s.

Maybe our VGS mates hadn't put enough turns in the rubber band before letting off the brakes :E

Thanks Helpful Stacker, it must be an idiot pilot then if the others all manage it. I hope whoever it is doesn't pass this technique on to cadets or we will be reading about it on another thread. I suspect subdfuge has a similar view to mine if you look at previous postings!!

People, will you give it up. Leave it for the appropriate people to deal with and stop guessing until you know the facts.

The VGS in question has had a lot of bad press on here lately which is unfair.

"The VGS in question has had a lot of bad press on here lately which is unfair"

Errr...no its not!

To answer Insidejobs question:-
1000 metres is all thats required. Slight less if you're not doing rollers/touch and goes.
Regards
snips:8

a Highly skilled VGS is cleared to operate off a very short Helipad ;)

Blimey, Gibralter's 6000ft long. If these muppets can't put down in 6000ft in a glider, my kid's are never flying with them.

Apparently these muppets also manage to land without any fuel left as well!

Was it the same 'Senior Instructor' muppet that likes cruising in airways whilst on a solo SCT jolly?
This VGS needs a serious looking at, and BEFORE someone gets hurt. Last time HQAC investigated, they ended up sacking the wrong man!
IMHO its about time that GL1 implemented a regime change!

Haha LMAO at some of the post in this thread!

I can see why parents are starting to get more concerned every time our sqn goes gliding!!

Scotty, yet again you get involved with a thread you know nothing about. Now be a good little Cadet and go and do some shoe polishing.

Huh what are you on about, why do you always pick a fight with me? lol have you read above your pathetic picking a fight with a 17 year old cadet!Its a public forum so i will say what i want...

Try having a go at GhostRider109 or frigthestoat (sorry to pick you out guys) they didnt agree wih you neither did subdifuge so why not share your glowing amount of love around instead of aiming it in my direction!

FACT: Any flying organisation that operates continously for many years will inevitably experience one or two incidents.

The VGS system provides gliding tuition/experiences for thousands of cadets nationwide each year. As an organisation it has a very good safety record. Isolated incidents like this are sensationalised beyond reasonable debate. What about the hundreds of VGS landings that will have taken place this very weekend without incident? The anonymity available with forums like this unfortunately invites posts that are often wide of the mark and un-necessarily melicious in content. Long may the VGS system continue to provide achievable and worthy flying qualifications to today's youth!

I have now to fill out a CAA occurrence report for a civilian aircraft involved in a similiar incident at my place of work today. And I won't be posting about these 'muppets' on proon later.

scotty,
I think you are being 'picked on' due to the fact you continue to post pointless comments containing nothing but immature and thoughtless garbage! Your opinionated remarks of a system that provided you with flying tuition and your first solo experience are truly cringworthy.

Safe flying everyone!
SNAFU.:ok:

ok then sorry i said anything

I wouldn't apologise Scotty, you are quite right to express concerns about any flying related incident. Since enquiring about the 6000ft landing space as the first posting, I gather that there are idiots out there who quite honestly I wouldn't trust with a feather duster never mind an aircraft. Just how many of these incidents go unreported by irresponsible "wannabes"-far more I suspect than you and I will ever get to hear about. Keep up the good work ppruners and expose the muppets/idiots or whatever euphemism you apply.:ok:

With SLMG's, (and normal gliders too) it's possible to get into ground effect and float a long long way before the aircraft speed decays enough for drag to take effect, especially if you don't use spoilers or airbrakes or if the aircraft isn't equipped with either. I've done it on more than one occasion at Halton.

Please excuse my ignorance, but VGS?? :confused: