Let me get back from work will you, I'm sorry that we can all spend the day spamming forums as you seem to do :}

Southside,

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Now that simply is not true, you clearly didn't listen to the Governments speech last week

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I'm more interested in actions, not words.

well do something then? Or are you the kind of bloke who likes to sit on his BFA waiting for good luck and enrichment to come to him? If you want to change your lot then stand up, go to your boss, wing co, air Cdre or who ever and say


"Sir, Ive got this fab idea to improve morale, its cheap, user friendly, wont hurt the environment and the boys (n girls) will love it"

Now your going to say " oh, they wont let us do that, they don't allow us to have ideas" well. my friend you'd be wrong. Only yesterday my fleet arranged a day of inter squadron rivalry.. The day started with a competiotion in recognition, continued with competitions in Radar approaches, radar plotting, winching, M3M gun firings...then a game of footie between the boys and then in the evening a lot of beer..... Cost to the Navy? asbout 5 flying hours but you could justify that with trainng. Cost to the environment...we messed the footie pitch up a bit....BUT, the chance to allow the boys n girls a little fun, a bit of rivalry and a lot of beers....PRICELESS.... Morale in the Lynx fleet is now somewhere between here and the moon.

Don't bother I prefer Indian.

whilst were on that subject. Am I correct in my understanding that when PAYD comes into force, the little food shops and burger vans and eatery's scattered around the airfield will have to go? Even Mrs Miggin's pie van..? will that have to go?

I have heard on the grapevine that all Sqn bars and tbars will have to go or else be administered/ run by whoever gets the PAYD contract, true or not?

and I suppose that means the end of cheap beer in the Mess then...?


Hmmm........

Sir, I've got this great idea to improve morale and will impact approx 75% of all UK military aircrew. It involves a single bullet and a bloke who calls himself 'Southside'. It won't break any laws because shooting trolls isn't illegal.

Not quite correct. Once warned you can still PVR, however you won't be released until you have completed the OOA for which you are warned. Difficult for the chefs who are warned for their next tour during the current one ....

I stand corrected

Open source

(4) If a recruit seeks to exercise a right conferred by this regulation at a time when soldiers are required by an order under section 10 of the 1955 Act (continuation of army service in imminent national danger) to continue in army service, that recruit's service shall not determine for so long as that order remains in force.

Close unkind43.

Within the RAF and I guess the more senior Services, an airmen has the right to give 18-months notice to leave the Service enshrined in statute - The RAF Terms of Service Regulations 1985 or RAF ToSRs ;) (Statutory Instrument(SI) 1985/1820 subsequently amended by SI 1989/994, 1990/2374, 1997/231 and 2001/542). There are RM and Army ToSRs too. It is this right that is restricted by the quote you mention - however, the imminent national danger has a high threshold (ie only when Ivan, Fritz or Pierre is about to swim across the channel). (I seem to remember that 2 of the Services have stopped this happening in the past; but, I digress). This Notice as a General Right is different to PVR and it does not apply to officers.

PVR on the over hand has no statutory basis so the Service(s) can decide (and vary) the terms on which it is offered. Hence why, in the RAF, different cadres (trades/ranks within trades/holders of TQAs etc) have differing waiting times for PVR that can change dependent on the manning situation.

B*ll*cks. PVR Rates are RATES and are not based on total numbers.

A rate of 5% means 5 out of 100, 50 out of 1000 and 2000 out of 40000.

A reason why rates might go down is the wait and see for the redundancy package. Better to be paid to go.

It would be interesting to compare PVR rates of this in the bracket with those not in the bracket. Of course that might provide some uncomfortable facts so better to fudge the statistics.

Needs someone to put in an FOI request.

....and 5% of 0 is ZERO. Therefore when no one is left the rate of PVR will remain a predictable stablity.

climbear
the amendmants you show may be correct but they can only be implemented if EVERYONE has signed a new contract of employment after every ammendment, how many people have done that??? Military employment rule is complete arse, challenge it and you are gauranteed to win.

I have no statistics to base this on, but the fleet on which I did my last 7 years in the RAF is now haemorrhaging (and this is NOT an exaggeration) pilots through a combination of PVR and non-assimilation (i.e. folk leaving at the end of their SSC or PC). I think in the latter case that the vast majority don't want to extend service anyway. Airlines are recruiting steadily and jobs are comfortably available.

Just before I left I was amazed at the first tourists doing their ATPLs - amazing! Getting their parachutes ready so they could eject when fed up with proceedings. Can't blame them.

So that beggars the question ...Why?

Why is your fleet haemorrhaging pilots ? What has changed over the past 7 years to produce this? Has the work load increased? Has the pay been reduced? Are the conditions any different? And why is it that some fleets are haemorrhaging and others are not?

Why?

Because there is little fun to be had any more. Perks eroded to uselessness. Asked to constantly do more with less. Tired of being pushed form pillar to post by meddling interfering half-wits who have never been anywhere near the frontline. Always travelling to and from desert ****-holes where there is little reason to be other than for George and Tony's half-arsed cock-and bull show. Not being valued for what we do or how well we do it (senior ivory-tower dwellers annual platitudes in the RAF News aren't worth the paper they are written on). Etc, etc, etc, et-bloody-cetera.

Loyalty is a one way bloody street in the RAF. Always 'Jam tomorrow, boys' but 'today you'll do as you're told, as often as you're told, until you're told otherwise'.

You getting the picture now? Which planet are you living on, anyway?

The planet Royal Navy where there is still plenty of fun to be had. The only sand we see are the beaches in Bermuda and where we are truly valued for our commitments and consequently enjoy the perks of our trade.

Did you get bullied at school southside ?

S_H

Tigs 2

Whilst I agree with your sentiment concerning military employment law I have to disagree with you on the point of challenging it. I know some quite high profile cases concerning PVR, that have lost in court. The RN CPO who was trained in air con and refridgeration springs to mind.

At no time are you ever playing on a level field if you challenge the MOD. And for those of you who think you have some sort of "contract" it's time to wake up and smell the coffee folks. You have no contract and no rights!!

That's just the way it is..

Southside I tire of your banality now.Go away like a good little boy ok!!

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