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Fangled 17th Feb 2006 09:04

Permission to grow, sir?
 
Hello all.

I'm in the process of applying for the RAF and RN at the moment for aircrew.

I've browsed the forum for a while now and have picked up lots of useful tips for the testing process. However I have a problem which I don't think has been addressed by this forum- well a search brings up nothing.

I'm thinking of growing a moustache, not sure what style yet (possible a subdued handlebar), but I was wondering as this would make me stand out from my other clean shaven (yawn) potential officer colleagues, would it be to my gain or detriment.

When I went to airshows as a boy I noticed the abundance of aircrew with fine follicle features, yet when I go to them now I find there are hardly any. Was there a purge of these chaps or something after the Cold War?!

I think the moustache should make a comeback and I plan to lead from the front. I know I really should be worried about other things such as group planning, leadership exercises and what not (plus the fitness test), but I don't want to ruin my chances within the first minute of arriving.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Arty 17th Feb 2006 09:20

It's a great idea.

But why not post a photo of yourself first for us to judge whether it would really suit you?? ;)

Bismark 17th Feb 2006 09:31

Fangled,

Don't do it - take a look at how many senior RAF officers have moustaches and how many RN have beards - answer almost nil! They are outdated and give the impression of a regressionist organisation.

Fly Navy!

woptb 17th Feb 2006 09:32

Body art has not been in vogue for some time,why not show real commitment & have a Eurofighter tattooed on your forehead.

airborne_artist 17th Feb 2006 09:39

You could always have a Prince Albert installed in the correct manner - that would impress the MO when you have to cough, and these days a good many of them are ladies - you'd be in like Flynn :E

Tiger_mate 17th Feb 2006 09:46

The reason that a moustache is not voque these days is simple:

A certain Canadian gentleman who joined the RAF simply because he wanted to fly the Wessex, who played the bagpipes upon deck in the Gulf on a somewhat sad day, whose dog (Bulldog of course) is called Winston (as in Churchill) has the finest moustache on the planet, (handlebars of course) and nobody in the UK mil is capable of beating the said canadians facial features.

However not content with being a Canadian in the RAF, he nows flies for the RNLAF, so perhaps we should start a new trend quickly whilst he is out of country.

You can tell hes not really an englishman, because as well as speaking academic (no accent at all) english, he can get his tongue around Dutch words, something most if not all brits find nigh on impossible.

Off down to the gentlemans shop for some shaping wax, theres a good chap.

Fangled 17th Feb 2006 09:57

Arty- I'd love to post a pic but I think the equation goes:

my mug with moustache + anonymous mil forum= end of flying career before its begun.

Sorry!

AA- made me chuckle as I sit here in the boring office!

TigerMate- If its true, a fascinating story.

This advice is making me think twice. Maybe a test of character.
(This is genuine by the way, I'm not taking the rise just because the mil has an illustrious history of moustachioed men.)

Safety_Helmut 17th Feb 2006 10:17


This advice is making me think twice. Maybe a test of character.
(This is genuine by the way, I'm not taking the rise just because the mil has an illustrious history of moustachioed men.)
The best post so far !

lurkposition 17th Feb 2006 10:35

I sported a moustache for 35 years and apart from the periodic discussion with various bosses over the years about the application and interpretation of QR 209 I had no bother. I may look bad enough with it but you should see me without it! My wife would leave me if I shaved it off again.

I did attend OASC during 1968 with the embryonic wisps displayed....and was still selected to join.

Note: beware that certain activities provide one with a greater understanding of the mechanics involved in the efficiency of velcro.

Fangled, Good Luck with the interviews.

Fly Better! 17th Feb 2006 10:50

Have you considered having your nether regions waxed?

Talking to a member of the opposite sex recently about the merits of 'brazilians' and 'holywood' styles I was reliably informed that there is now a style called a landing strip. Perhaps if you were to have one of these perfomed on yourself you might improve your chances of success? After all teh process does involve wax.

Oh and I did ask permision to land my 'aircraft' at her airport but was informed it wasn't open to business without a slot, I am still trying to work out what she meant. :confused:

Fangled 17th Feb 2006 10:56

Good grief! Prince Alberts......Tattoos on foreheads.....de-licing of southern regions, yet moustaches are greeted with a hint of ridicule! Lurkposition, I think the battle may be long and hard, but we will win the war eventually! I will join you.

BEagle 17th Feb 2006 11:14

Never trust anyone with face fungus! It gives them the facial appearance of an ar$ehole with dentures......

Or a Green Party councillor.

And that's just the women.......

Don't forget that with a moustache you run the risk of the 'velcro effect'...:E

MightyGem 17th Feb 2006 11:27

I grew one once for a competition on a long and boring exercise. "If you think you're coming anywhere near me with that, you can think again" says Mrs MG when I returned home. :(

station workshops 17th Feb 2006 11:34

Fly Better, the Brazilian & Hollywood are for females. Apparently the male equivalent of getting denuded is known (in New York, San Francisco, Brighton et al) as a "back, crack & sack". Makes the eyes water just thinking aboout it.

Having left the mob, I treated myself to a beard and moustache for the first time since my teens, a real one this time, not bumfluff. I shared a civvy office with a colleague for two years. One weekend I got bored of the facial hair and decided to remove it. I took fright half way through and opted to keep the upper lip. Into work on Monday, colleague I'd known for 2 years looked up and said "T****, I didn't realise you'd grown a moustache!"

Fangled, it's all about fashion and currency. As I look back through my photos of mountain rescue time in the early eighties, hairy was the order of the day, in some instances way beyond QRs. These days in MR it's completely the opposite, shaved heads and baby smooth cheeks. By all means get some time in and give it a go then. Until then I'd be with Arty on this one.

hobie 17th Feb 2006 11:41

They do seem rather popular ? .... :p


http://www.handlebarclub.org.uk/templepub47.jpg

petitfromage 17th Feb 2006 11:46

Isn't the correct terminology for males who shave/wax their privates "the extra inch". :}

As for growing a 'tash', surely its a fashion accessory reserved for pedofiles and ex-matelots living in Bangkok? ;)

Onan the Clumsy 17th Feb 2006 13:01


I have a problem which I don't think has been addressed by this forum- well a search brings up nothing.
You'd better check JetBlast :(





Hint: Hitler and Stalin had moustaches

Matt Skrossa 17th Feb 2006 14:58


Originally Posted by petitfromage
Isn't the correct terminology for males who shave/wax their privates "the extra inch". :}
As for growing a 'tash', surely its a fashion accessory reserved for pedofiles and ex-matelots living in Bangkok? ;)

Pedofile..... Is that some sort of equipment used my 'nail technicians' to trim toenails??
As for ex-matelots living in Bangkok, provided they've had the chop and aren't sporting too much facial hair I can't see the prob!

Tourist 17th Feb 2006 18:20

Fangled.
You appear to have a personality.
Don't waste it where it won't be appreciated.
Come join the RN instead.
:ok:

BEagle 17th Feb 2006 18:31

Where a 'back, slack and crack' and a 'Prince Albert' will make you particularly welcome amongst Pusser's golden rivet seekers......


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