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Navaleye 4th Feb 2006 20:08

Tallboy and Grand Slam hits on Google Earth
 
If you type in Farge, Germany, in the top left and corner of the high res picture you the former U-Boat construction facility code named Valentin. This was the subject of a number of Grand Slam and Tallboy raids during the war and used as a target after. The back half is still used by the Bundesmarine, but the front half still displays much of its former past.

SlipperySlappery 5th Feb 2006 07:12

Nice high-definition image but what exactly am I looking for?

Navaleye 5th Feb 2006 07:24

That long rectangular building has a reinforced concrete roof 22ft thick. If you look at the picture, in the centre, you will see two round dark patches. Tallboy hits.

akula 5th Feb 2006 09:11

I am having difficulties finding the facility:confused: :confused: , If you could post a Lat/Long it would be appreciated:ok:

ALWAYS assume NEVER check

ShyTorque 5th Feb 2006 09:23

Whilst browsing about this, I found an interesting link.

http://www.gunnies.pac.com.au/gallery/grand_slam.htm

Is this really true? :eek:

SirToppamHat 5th Feb 2006 09:31

Valentin Bunker 53°13'01.17N 008°30'11.54"E

I am not convinced that you can tell what the round dark shapes are - the imagery is not that good! However, if someone has been there and confirms it is the case, then I can believe it.

Edited to add that the Gate Guard explosive is an interesting story - I will ask around. Not sure it would have done quite as much damage as suggested, but it would not have been pretty! It would certainly have destroyed SHQ, thereby increasing the ops capability of the Station;) .

STH

lamer 5th Feb 2006 10:50

google earth u-boat bunker

Navaleye 5th Feb 2006 11:39

Details here
 
Hit by 13 Tallboys and Grand Slams.

Here

Onan the Clumsy 5th Feb 2006 13:21


Not sure it would have done quite as much damage as suggested, but it would not have been pretty!
[:8]

I thought the point of Grand Slam and Tallboy were that the fins produced a rotational motion so that it buried itself deep underground before detonation. The explosion created a siesmic effect that indirectly destroyed buildings and bridges so that, unlike a knoventionalbombenmitexplosives you didn't actually have to hit the target.

[/:8]

Navaleye 5th Feb 2006 14:00

Onan,

That's quite true and it was the intention to use them as deep penetration bombs to create a localised earth quake. The decision was taken to use them directly against hardened targets such as U-boat pens as they were the only weapon capable of defeating them. The Tallboy actually proved more effective as the Grand Slam tended to detonate prematurely or breakup. In the case of the Valentin bunker, a direct hit by a Grand Slam (which did not penetrate) caused so much concussion that it brought down the internel crane and overhead gantries that it rendered the facility useless. A look at U-boat pens at Brest will deliver similar results. You can see where holes have been filled or simply covered up.

ACW599 5th Feb 2006 15:10

Not wishing to hijack the thread, but were Tallboy and Grand Slam retained or developed for possible use post-1945? There's a lot of material on the internet about their wartime use but nothing post-war that I've seen.

Gainesy 5th Feb 2006 15:15

IIRC the US dveloped a radio-controlled bomb from Tallboy, called Tarzan I think.

supercarb 6th Feb 2006 00:39

ACW599, have a look here:

http://home.aol.com/nukeinfo2/

ACW599 6th Feb 2006 08:19

Supercarb: many thanks for the QDM, fascinating stuff.

Lord Snot 6th Feb 2006 09:29

Where is google-earth........

How do I download it?

Navaleye 6th Feb 2006 10:56

Voila!

http://earth.google.com/

EESDL 6th Feb 2006 11:04

Not a small place!!
 
http://www.bunkerpictures.nl/picture...rge/farge.html

Navaleye 6th Feb 2006 11:18

These are the two hits as seen on Google Earth from above. Remember the roof at this point is 22 feet thick so the scale is deceptive. In some places it was over 30!

http://www.bunkerpictures.nl/picture.../Inside-08.JPG

Onan the Clumsy 6th Feb 2006 12:18

I went to Eperlecques once. That was interesting.

Click on Home>locations>France>Eperlecques

Navaleye 6th Feb 2006 12:20

Also hit by a Tallboy. You can still see the chunk knocked out of the side. Who needs LGBs anyway?


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