I think some of you are missing the point. This man is inocent. A court martial taking advice from a civvy Judge Advocate has said so. Perhaps in future any officer whose performance fails to come up to his CO's or the Services expectations will be court martialed for incompetance. Give me a Reaming and a "could do better" report any day. Having said that it would be funny to see Sir Alex Ferguson in the Crown Court every time he gave one of his "Lazy" players the Hair Dryer.

Stil though...in a dressing gown? Very unofficer like :ugh:

I agree with doubledolphins. The Courts Marshall's decision that Captain Tarrant is innocent is final and IMHO sends out a strong message to anybody else in the Forces to think twice before playing the 'I was bullied card'. I've seen it happen before. On one occasion an airman tried to accuse his chief of 'bullying' because he'd been selected for a duty that would mean he'd have to be in work on a Sunday. This was a duty that everybody else on his shift had had to do at one time or other and he was next on the list. The airman was told to wind his neck in and it didn't go any further. My worry is that these days all you need is a devious/weak minded subordinate and a half-decent lawyer and not only is someone's career ruined but operational effectiveness of a unit, ship or Sqn can be compromised. Perhaps the individuals in this case need to go away and consider whether they are in the right job. If being shouted at because they screwed up is too much to take, exactly how would they cope under fire?
I fully agree with Onan the Clumsy's the dressing gown comment though...

It may well be that the actions taken by the sub captain did not legally constitute bullying and there can be little room for poor performances in that confined situation but one has to question as to whether public displays of extreme anger are conducive to overall good discipline. Indeed could they be considered mental cruelty if taken to extreme levels. I am not considering the "good bo*****ing" situation but something much more vicious which I have witnessed on a couple of occasions.

In fairnes...maybe he had a special one made with eppaulettes and gold braid around the cuffs.

and a sword

What should he have worn? Do they still issue blue and white stripped wincyette pyjamas? May be, given his girth now he may have needed a dressing gown in preference to a pussers towel.

The dressing gown may even be seen as a garment to ameliorate the bombast.:)

All the same. As has been muted before, thorough investigations are carried out before instigating a courts martial. It's going to be tough now for some Admiral or lesser mortal to be entirely happy giving said Captain a job without thinking it might backfire on mthem both. There is NO smoke without fire and the smell will linger on for the rest of his career.

I have me doubts...................the dressing gown did that I'm afraid. Very naff and very tacky.

"Might I suggest these for Sir in future. It might help alieve some of that ...unpleasentness."

One step ahead of the RAF
 

It beggars belief that the RN took so long to recognise the danger lurking beneath the sea. Mind you this is one step better than the RAF who should have sacked certain gliding school CO's years ago. How long before we read in the National tabloid about a ranting and raving Squadron leader belittling and verbally abusing his pilots on the tarmac in front of an invited audience!

Aha another pathetic failed/sacked VGS pilot attempting to hijack another thread!
If you seriously think ANY tabloid would be interested in 'a ranting and raving Squadron leader belittling and verbally abusing his pilots on the tarmac in front of an invited audience' then my friend you must lead a very sheltered life, I doubt whether any tabloid newspaper has even heard of the VGS system, whereas jo public has at least heard of nuclear submarines. There may of course be a story about a group of seditious, disloyal and frankly pitiable VGS staff, some of who may still hold a Commission from HMTQ, attempting to undermine the hardworking and professional members of the VGS fraternity, what do you think?

Wrong on all counts old boy, but having read some of your other postings relating to glider schools, I think I'll save my energy for a tabloid news article; I'm sure that one or two of your old pals will provide enough entertainment.
Bye 4 now.:

Frigthefailure, excellent news, but some advice; if you are hoping to remain anonymous by going to the tabloids then you will fail, therefore make sure your case is 100% watertight, otherwise you will find yourself on the receiving end of some hefty legal action. Secondly, please do the decent thing and let everyone on Pprune know when the tabloids are going to print this hot story so we can see the truth, or at least your/their version of it. As this is such an important issue I presume you will be off very soon to the Street of Shame? Finally, how about going public NOW by raising your serious concerns about a certain VGS with HQAC, surely they will have to take action if the organisation is a dangerous and badly run as you suggest?
p.s. If you are afraid of being unmasked try the ANYMOUSE route, and the best of luck old boy.

Bluntend,

having been on the receiving end, some many years ago, I can safely say that you are spouting utter *******s!

I had my job stolen by a bully.

Never having been bullied at school, I was unprepared for it and had no idea how to counteract it. In any event, short of escalating it bayond all proportion, there was probably little I could do as management closed ranks and I had no chance.

So yes it's a serious thing and as for "how they would react under fire" I think you're missing the point. Rank is suppsed to be awarded to those who deserve it as opposed to magically endowing a person with character, dependability and the ability to see into the future. How is a subordinate supposed to react under fire if they know they are serving under a person who hasn't really got a clue what to do and hasn't got the maturity to admit that they might make mistakes?

In my case management continually refered to thamselves as "Leadership". But to me, Spartacus was a "leader".


So no. Bullies in command work for the enemy.

A dressing gown for a dressing down, it seems!

Or a big cover up!

As Mummy said to me when I was a little lying brat of a minor age.

"You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time but never all of the people all of the time"

So justice will come to Captain RN in the end.

Onan

"Rank is suppsed to be awarded to those who deserve it as opposed to magically endowing a person with character, dependability and the ability to see into the future."

I think you'll find rank is not a reward for past performance but an enabler for future potential having previously demonstrated merit. However, agree with the lack of magical qualities bestowed on those promoted....:uhoh:

Hence the expression "The further you are promoted from Lt Cdr the less competent you become". :rolleyes:

Frigthescrote, I have been faithfully buying all the tabloids since your claim 'I think I'll save my energy for a tabloid news article'. Just to save myself some money can you let us know how you are getting on? It is obviously such a HUGE story that all the papers must be vying for your valuable insight, maybe I should be buying the broadsheets too? Or perhaps you have been flown to see Rupert Murdoch in person to discuss your 6 figure sum, or even you could be in discussions with Hollywood to turn this into a major blockbuster, the anticipation is just so exciting!!

Skrossa... no disrespect, but I think myself and the rest of the prune fraternity would sleep much happier in our beds/bunks/maggots at night if you would stop continuing to hi-jack this thread about a serious issue with backbiting comments ...