Don't be bakin that ole humble pie just yet!!

I can't find a reliable source anywhere to prove this event has taken place!! A few faked foto's on this site and a bit of back slapping does not a test flight make!!

Come on people point out an official web site where I can view this magnificent feat against all odds!!!

As for my other predictions? Well it looks like my beloved Newcastle will sign Wayne Rooney this weekend and then we really will win the premiership this year!!!



:=

Well if Geoff was getting some pics, they aren't on the BAe website yet. Must've put 'em in Boots to get devved.

http://www.baesystems.com/newsroom/2004/aug/260804news3.htm

Mind you this could be faked as well. No piccies sadly

JT

I have a cracking picture of the Nimrod but I can't work out how to get it on here......sorry for being dull but I have only just registered and have never posted before.

Can anyone explain.....in lamens terms please!

The joys of having Sky Digital TV. All I had to do was select BBC North West for the local news broadcast at 1830 hrs on the day of the alleged event and amazing, faked footage of the non-event on the telly :ok: Best you get in touch with the BBC and complain about them making up a news story and showing fake footage of something that never happened ;)

Mad Mark!!!

:mad:

Theres a couple of good piccies here

Scroll down to view.

Regards, RP.

Ah....OK thanks for that I will know in the future.

The 2 Piccies I had were the same ones as linked to by Rhino Power.

Never mind, still very happy it happened.

Just flown over the top of Warton on the ILS for EGNH - the MR4 wasn't there ! So maybe The Gorilla is right after all :confused: (Or perhaps it was just in a hanger :p )

I took this as it came into land at Warton.

http://tinypic.com/3hhzd

Read somewhere that on the first flight it flew longer due to 'lower than expected fuel consumption', hopefully this will mean that it will beat its performace specs accross the board

...and I thought the B1900 was untidy - this things got bits and pieces all over the place ....

PA1 flew for longer than expected because the flight went so well.
Once at Warton and after all the media scrummage the aircraft was towed to a hangar to be stripped and checked and made ready for the next flight..

Handling and other flight checks were obviously not pushed with it being first flight. That will come later this year.

And The Gorilla is away stuffing his face with...? :}

Enough abuse already!!

I may have been wr
I may have been wro#
I may have been wron..

No I can't say it!!

But in Officer speak I can say that my prediction may have been slightly inaccurate!!

I have trawled backwards through my previous comments concerning this large white elephant and I can see where some of you may have been misled. I have always said and still say the the Nimrod MRA4 will never fly!! Of course where the confusion lies is that last week the Airframe PA01 flew not a Nimrod MRA4. We still have a long ways to go before that happens!! Trying to fit all that complex electronics down the back of a narrow 1950's tube may well be the end to this project!! Just like the last Nimrod thingy!!

And of course I never saw the Sir Bobby Robson sacking coming either!! What price my prediction for Newcastle now??

Go one fire away! I deserve it!!

:D

"We" don't have a long way to go at all. PA2 is already being tested in the hangar with the Mission System fitted.

Frankly, if the MR2 can fly with all that steam-driven junk crammed into the back, I am sure the MRA4 will manage ;-)

Ought we not to give the gorilla a break? Did he not verbalise the innermost thoughts of even the most die hard maritime man?

My hypothesis is that he did in fact just that. Congratulations to all those involved in this first flight. For all those who seek to mock (myself included at some stages!) this project, I hope a new sense of optimism is born.

A fleet of Nimrod MRA4 aircraft in service in the near future will only enhance our air force.

S15

Was very glad to see the damn thing fly at last

Was one who observed the many test flights from Woodford in the 80s of the extended nose and tail cones. And I enjoyed the Vulcan getting fitted with refueling nozzle.

No - that does not make me an expert. But have an interest -

So this is the result ? The result of many, many years of Government bungling.

Does it actually bring any benefit in terms of a strategic part of UK defences ?

We seem to have made done with the old stuff. I am very impressed with how what is basicaly an old Comet airframe and how it has been turned into something decent.

I am a tad pissed off here with all the knocks.

I think an official statement would be appropriate.

LL34

ll34,

What do you mean by an official statement?

Select Commitee on Defence - Procurement Approach

The original contract for the supply of aircraft, training systems and an interim support package was the result of competitive tendering. As a result of the recent re-structuring however, the development and production of the first three Nimrod MRA4s as development aircraft will continue, with first flight planned for 2004. We have agreed with the Company that there should be a controlled and economic cessation of series production until design has reached a level of demonstrated maturity during trials on the first three aircraft. If the potential for the Nimrod MRA4 as an "adaptable aircraft" can be realised and is cost effective, we will ensure that the necessary provisions for adaptability are included in the first batch of production aircraft. At the appropriate time, we will consider whether to launch the production of the remaining Nimrod aircraft to a new adaptable standard or the existing MRA4 standard. We will also consider at the appropriate time whether it would be economic to convert the remaining development aircraft to a production standard.

nan me old,

Sorry but by your own admission PA01 isn't an MRA4!!
It's a bit like saying that an E3D without all its mission kit and crew is an AWACS!! No Sir, it is only a Boeing 720 with a mushroom on top.

The Nimrod MRA4 is PA01, plus mission kit plus crew!! And that I again predict will NEVER fly!! (Rider.. in operational service!!)

That all said, I have to congratulate the individuals concerned both service and civilian who have worked damned hard to get this airborne. Well done, although my own thoughts are that along with Eurofighter 2010 this country no longer has a requirement for the MRA's of any model.

Still it has been a sterling achievement and I wont take that away from them.

But to leave on a negative point these ARE 2nd hand aircraft with thousands of hours on them and quite aside from the lack of a flight engineer for 250ft work...

Do we really need them?? Go on convince me whilst I am in a good mood!!

:)

I amagine the standard databus may come in handy, as well as those extra hard points... but as a maritime recon aircraft.... never. Personally, I would imagine the MR4 will be an excellent standoff launch platform or aircraft supporting land ops (fast, good loiter in flight refuel etc), but I could never see any maritime role re-emerging.... You just have to look across NATO procurement to twig that one, with numerous NATO countries slashing any maritime support contingent.

The Gorilla,

A successful flight test programme is a long way off yet, but a major hurdle has been overcome.

Virtually the only bit that remains of the original is the outer skin of the fuselage and I understand that was in good condition.

Your reservations about an Air Eng might be very valid, however I will be surprised to see this a/c having to descend to an operational height of 250ft, for the likes of photography, fishery protection etc. With an integrated and working EOSDS there should be little need to go down that low.

If data fusion is successful in an operational environment this will be an excellent Multi Mission aircraft.

Small Spinner,

Although there may be EO on board that will help in the fishery protection etc side of the Nimrod role. There will always be the Search and Rescue side where for accuracy the lower the better. Also for operations where the cloud base prevents work from the upper/ middle air.

I think also that the aircraft should be re-named to the Nimrod MMA. This will reflect the fact that this will be a true multi-role aircraft in the same way as the current incumbent is becoming.

FJ

Small Spinner - Good spot mate!
The Nimrod has always been the only true multi role combat aircraft in the RAF inventory.

Anyone remember the original MRCA ? - Tornado! - what a joke

NiMROD - One fuel load, One cew, One set of rations and for 8 hours - (12 0n the MRA4) plus refuel for extended SAR etc. can do at least 6 mission changes whislt airborne without whingeing.

Love many - trust a few - always paddle you own canoe

FJ
You're right about the accuracy of SAR drops, but if the EOSDS works as advertised, and apart from v.low cloud base, the necessity to go down that low will be much reduced.

I just get the feeling that this aircraft is going to become a real star, especially with the lords and masters.

I think its very unlikely that the MRA4 will now be axed and much to The Gorilla's eternal shame it will fly in Sqn service.. The MoD has talked about a "reduced threat" from submarines - true (but still a threat), but the old bus has lots of very useful roles in this net centric warfare game the MoD has been wittering on about. No chance of getting 16 IMHO.

According to BAE's press release, PA1 is a test and development aircraft not a product model.

-- Under a contract awarded in December 1996, and amended in 2002, BAE Systems was contracted to build an 18-strong fleet of Nimrod MRA4 aircraft, the Royal Air Force’s new Maritime, Reconnaissance and Attack aircraft. The contract was subject to further renegotiation in 2003, separating out the design and development phase (3 aircraft) from an option for production (15 aircraft). More recently, on 21 July 2004, the Secretary of State for Defence talked about the nation's maritime reconnaissance requirement being met in future by a fleet of 'around 12' Nimrod MRA4 aircraft..

Firstly Mighty Hunter you always been dumb:p

Secondly if MPA are all about fisheries and dare I say it ASW, (read USW, UBM or new NCW mumbo jumbo) why have I been without beer for so long - I am even more cranky than usual:suspect:

For the mad monkey and all the other up to date folks get up with the times - no no sit in your crewrooms and train cabins and spout:*
Damn it you got me at it now
I need a beer:{
Charlie sends

Charlie - I've tried never to say this (always left it to the parrot behind my right shoulder) "I concur", when the monkey and mbga9pgf understand what the current version does then I may take some notice of their prophecies.

"lack of a flight engineer for 250ft work" :confused:

"country no longer has a requirement for the MRA's of any model" - better bring the boys back from the Gulf then:ok:

"but as a maritime recon aircraft.... never" - pretty strong words:mad:

"but I could never see any maritime role re-emerging.... You just have to look across NATO procurement to twig that one, with numerous NATO countries slashing any maritime support contingent." - USA MMA? Australia - recent upgrade, Japan 100+ P3s to replace, even the Kiwis have just approved an upgrade, there is obviously some Global need for the Maritime role:ok:

"fishery protection etc side of the Nimrod role" - not in the last decade:O

FJ- why not name it Nimrod Multi Role Aircraft 4, MRA4 for short so we can get rid of all those frebbies from BAe still at airshows.

Charlie - there's a Speights on ice if you can make Fincastle.

Hello all just a couple of questions I was wondering about. The first aircraft PA01 will undergo to my knowledge various stages of testing of avionics, flight systems etc etc. Will subsequent aircraft (if there are any obviously) be subject to the same testing or will they undergo a 'lesser' check i.e. to see if the aircraft works as I presume the systems and kit onboard will already be up and running and tested on prior aircraft?

Apologises if any of this has been covered before! :D

ppf ;)

ppf

Apart from certain essential handling tests to prove that PA2 and PA3 behave the same as PA1, the a/c will be assumed to have the same envelope clearances as PA1.

As a result these mission systems a/c can go straight in to the multitude of avionics tests required to demonstrate the aircraft's capability.

Once the customer is satisfied with the level of maturity, they will then make the decision to carry on with the production order.

Cheers much Small Spinner that’s cleared up a few things for me, I had visions of each aircraft having to go through all the tests, though that might take years!! But then again why not wait a few more years then it’s already a bit behind schedule!!

ppf :ok:

The "original" MRCA was the Mosquito - perhaps one of the best aircraft the RAF ever had the pleasure operating.

At the mo the Mr2 is no more than a glorified uav.

Mra4 offers little and makes a only good, slow rcs target instead.

While it flies it will be no more than a sitting duck.

Hand the programme to the Navy and see how long it lasts......

Onion rings with that order Sir?

You obviously have no idea of the amount of work that the Nimrod Fleet actually does ALL THE TIME. No other aircraft type in the RAF consistantly carries out operations (other than SH etc) from its home base and from all over the world. You are living in a dream world if you think that all the MR2 is "is a glorified UAV". All I can say is that when the MR4 comes into service it will offer greater flexibilty and sensors that will create a first class platform. At present the MR2 is in demand from all the services, because of its great flexibility, and it does those jobs even though the airframe is 40+ years old!

Get a grip man.

"You are living in a dream world if you think that all the MR2 is "is a glorified UAV".
MMMM so WHAT is the ONLY true operational role its doing?
As for the rest of your comments,
The cold war is OVER.
The rod is a wonderful beast but then again , so was tsr2.
Time to stop living in the past, AEW3 failed and they chopped up far more airframes to get that working.....
Long live the "mighty" merlin.....
I bow to your superior use of punctuation.:ok:

ICOP,

Put your fishing rod down and step away from the computer!

Small Spinner - spot on

GORILLA - most aircraft have a design life of about 48k hours - albeit at high level - Nimrod had a 'dogs life' factor built in to operate at low level with lots of turning and burning. Where the spec was 6mm they made it 8mm and so on. The frames being converted had on average 16k hours and were thoroughly NDT'd and computer recorded. I spoke to the project manager in the early days after a 'warts and all' presentation at Poole, and he concluded that if the MRA4 did not materialise, the lads at ISK could rest assured, that flying the exsisting Mk2 is well safe - with it's initial build and subsequent maintainence, in his words, it's " a brick sh*t house"

Military jet noise - the sound of freedom!

Now the GORILLA.

I thought that seeing the new Mighty Hunter leaping into the air after so long was going to be the high point of my sad, lonely life. I was wrong.

Reading your recent posts, and realising that you are now the MRA4's biggest fan has now become the high point of my life !!!!:D

Also, Souness seems to be making a reasonable fist of it over on the Tyne ?

Cheers

DS

ICOP

That will be a bite then!