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So, todays papers confirm what we all knew about sailors 
, highlight what we all thought about the army and its ability to organize p*ss ups and breweries, can the air force follow that? Or should we start arming the coastguard now...
, highlight what we all thought about the army and its ability to organize p*ss ups and breweries, can the air force follow that? Or should we start arming the coastguard now...
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Just in case anyone is wondering what Jonny-Boy is talking about;
Sacking all gay sailors 'would have scuppered the fleet'
The Royal Navy would not be able to man the fleet if it had sacked all the sailors who had homosexual experiences, according to files released today by the Public Record Office.
"If the number of men with homosexual experience is as great as we think, we cannot afford to throw them all out as the Navy would not be adequately manned," one said.
Senior naval officers were thrown into a panic over the danger to security after several homosexual scandals involving naval ratings and officers emerged in the 1960's.
The most prominant was uncovered by Bermudian police who were investigating a theft from a Royal Navy ship at the island.
""This led to the revelation of what can reasonably be described as a male brothel, frequented by a large number of naval ratings," said one officer.
"The owner of the flat, who was employed in a minor clerical capacity, had been in the habit of inviting naval ratings to his home, lavishly ebtertaining them and giving them presents for partaking in grossly indecent acts and posing for sexually perverted photographs."
The investigation had the names and addresses of more than 400 Navy personnel together with a "a large number of indecent photographs including many marked on the back with the names and ships of naval ratings."
That incident, another involving HMS Eagle, which is not detailed in the files, and the willingness of sailors to visit the bars of Bugis St, in Singapore,which were frequented by transexuals , led to demands for a crackdown on homosexuality. Senior officers noted with alarm that 223 officers and ratings had left the Navy as a result of homosexuality in the previous three years.
One officer suggested publicising the affairs as a warning to others. "Fleets should by provided with a detailed blow-by-blow account of the Bermuda and Eagle affairs, withoput mincing the language we use," he said.
But the senior Royal Navy legal officer said that this might present problems. "Senior naval officers have warned me that they reckon that at least 50 per cent of the fleet have sinned homosexually," he said. "It is only the paucity of the Director of Naval Security's investigating resources that prevents paying off a good many ships."
He suggested a more liberal approach. There was no need "to carry out any witch-hunt for the more discreet offenders," he said.
"To the extent that homosexuality goes on discreetly and prudently hidden away it need not on the whole cause too much dismay."
Nevertheless the Second Sea Lord ordered commander Western Fleet to clamp down on homosexuality.
"There is evidence that some officers and senior ratings do not take a sufficiently stern attitude towards minor homosexual acts," the Second Sea Lord said. "The time has come to take a stricter and less permissive attitude in the fleet."
In an order to ships captains, the Commander Weatern Fleet said there was
"ample evidence that homosexual practices are rife in the fleet" .
All captains should institute a designed regime of education designed to discourage the problem and "homosexual practices must be dealt with firmly and promptly" by summary trial if necessary.
Well, whatever floats your boat I suppose...
Sacking all gay sailors 'would have scuppered the fleet'
The Royal Navy would not be able to man the fleet if it had sacked all the sailors who had homosexual experiences, according to files released today by the Public Record Office.
"If the number of men with homosexual experience is as great as we think, we cannot afford to throw them all out as the Navy would not be adequately manned," one said.
Senior naval officers were thrown into a panic over the danger to security after several homosexual scandals involving naval ratings and officers emerged in the 1960's.
The most prominant was uncovered by Bermudian police who were investigating a theft from a Royal Navy ship at the island.
""This led to the revelation of what can reasonably be described as a male brothel, frequented by a large number of naval ratings," said one officer.
"The owner of the flat, who was employed in a minor clerical capacity, had been in the habit of inviting naval ratings to his home, lavishly ebtertaining them and giving them presents for partaking in grossly indecent acts and posing for sexually perverted photographs."
The investigation had the names and addresses of more than 400 Navy personnel together with a "a large number of indecent photographs including many marked on the back with the names and ships of naval ratings."
That incident, another involving HMS Eagle, which is not detailed in the files, and the willingness of sailors to visit the bars of Bugis St, in Singapore,which were frequented by transexuals , led to demands for a crackdown on homosexuality. Senior officers noted with alarm that 223 officers and ratings had left the Navy as a result of homosexuality in the previous three years.
One officer suggested publicising the affairs as a warning to others. "Fleets should by provided with a detailed blow-by-blow account of the Bermuda and Eagle affairs, withoput mincing the language we use," he said.
But the senior Royal Navy legal officer said that this might present problems. "Senior naval officers have warned me that they reckon that at least 50 per cent of the fleet have sinned homosexually," he said. "It is only the paucity of the Director of Naval Security's investigating resources that prevents paying off a good many ships."
He suggested a more liberal approach. There was no need "to carry out any witch-hunt for the more discreet offenders," he said.
"To the extent that homosexuality goes on discreetly and prudently hidden away it need not on the whole cause too much dismay."
Nevertheless the Second Sea Lord ordered commander Western Fleet to clamp down on homosexuality.
"There is evidence that some officers and senior ratings do not take a sufficiently stern attitude towards minor homosexual acts," the Second Sea Lord said. "The time has come to take a stricter and less permissive attitude in the fleet."
In an order to ships captains, the Commander Weatern Fleet said there was
"ample evidence that homosexual practices are rife in the fleet" .
All captains should institute a designed regime of education designed to discourage the problem and "homosexual practices must be dealt with firmly and promptly" by summary trial if necessary.
Well, whatever floats your boat I suppose...
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From Vice Admiral Sir John Cunningham:
First of all I'd like to apologize for the behaviour of certain of my colleagues you may have seen earlier, but they are from broken homes, circus families and so on and they are in no way representative of the new modern improved British Navy. They are a small vociferous minority; and may I take this opportunity of emphasizing that there is no cannibalism in the British Navy. Absolutely none, and when I say none, I mean there is obviously a certain amount, more than we are prepared to admit, but all new ratings are warned that if they wake up in the morning and find any toothmarks at all anywhere on their bodies, they're to tell me immediately so that I can immediately take every measure to hush the whole thing up. And, finally, necrophilia is right out.
Yours etc.
First of all I'd like to apologize for the behaviour of certain of my colleagues you may have seen earlier, but they are from broken homes, circus families and so on and they are in no way representative of the new modern improved British Navy. They are a small vociferous minority; and may I take this opportunity of emphasizing that there is no cannibalism in the British Navy. Absolutely none, and when I say none, I mean there is obviously a certain amount, more than we are prepared to admit, but all new ratings are warned that if they wake up in the morning and find any toothmarks at all anywhere on their bodies, they're to tell me immediately so that I can immediately take every measure to hush the whole thing up. And, finally, necrophilia is right out.
Yours etc.
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As Winston Churchill is credited with having said:-
"The only traditions of the Royal Navy are rum, sodomy and the lash."
In fact it was Churchill's assistant, Anthony Montague-Browne that said it, although I'm sure that the great man wished he had!
"The only traditions of the Royal Navy are rum, sodomy and the lash."
In fact it was Churchill's assistant, Anthony Montague-Browne that said it, although I'm sure that the great man wished he had!
Has it got worse since they abolished the lash and got rid of the tot?
And what are what the Second Sea Lord called: 'minor homosexual acts'? Nail painting? Wearing unfashionably wide flared trousers? Calling the CPO 'Ducky'?
Are guided tours around HMS Victory still insisting that when Nelson said: "Kiss me, Hardy...." there was nothing dodgy about it .....?
Mind you, since there's a strong chance of spending six months away from home, at sea, an awful lot of heterosexuals wouldn't consider the RN as a career, and, by extension, it wouldn't bother the shirt-lifting fraternity so much, I s'pose?
Makes all the fuss about sending women to sea aboard RN ships seem very funny, though. If half of the complement are gay I guess a pretty young cabin boy would have been far more of a distraction.
And what are what the Second Sea Lord called: 'minor homosexual acts'? Nail painting? Wearing unfashionably wide flared trousers? Calling the CPO 'Ducky'?
Are guided tours around HMS Victory still insisting that when Nelson said: "Kiss me, Hardy...." there was nothing dodgy about it .....?
Mind you, since there's a strong chance of spending six months away from home, at sea, an awful lot of heterosexuals wouldn't consider the RN as a career, and, by extension, it wouldn't bother the shirt-lifting fraternity so much, I s'pose?
Makes all the fuss about sending women to sea aboard RN ships seem very funny, though. If half of the complement are gay I guess a pretty young cabin boy would have been far more of a distraction.
Well lets balance the scales a little here shall we?
The Air Force is by no means free of scandal and headline hitting stories is it? You only have to use Google to find a host RAF stories that far out shine the other services!
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The Air Force is by no means free of scandal and headline hitting stories is it? You only have to use Google to find a host RAF stories that far out shine the other services!
Royal Arse Force!!
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I thought that Flipper missed the bit of uncoscious humour in the Telegraph quote (no red highlight) " There is evidence that some officers and senior ratings do not take a sufficiently stern attitude towards minor homosexual acts" the second Sea Lord said.
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GW - I'm sure you're right 
Sir,
As a naval officer I abhor the implication that the Royal Navy is a haven for cannibalism. It is well known that we now have the problem relatively under control, and that it is the RAF who now suffer the largest casualties in this area. And what do you think the Argylls ate in Aden. Arabs?
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Credit to GA and G for remembering the more obscure Monty P sketch
Sir,
As a naval officer I abhor the implication that the Royal Navy is a haven for cannibalism. It is well known that we now have the problem relatively under control, and that it is the RAF who now suffer the largest casualties in this area. And what do you think the Argylls ate in Aden. Arabs?
Yours etc.
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Credit to GA and G for remembering the more obscure Monty P sketch
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I'm surprised the armed forces don't carry out sexual orientation monitoring, in the same way as they carry out ethnic monitoring. If the representation of gays in the forces is the same as that in the general population, then ten percent of those serving in the armed forces are gay. That means most people serving in the armed forces work alongside someone who is gay.
Of course, if gay men were all painting their nails, knitting cushions and mincing around like John Inman, you wouldn't have any problem spotting them. But, as ever, the truth is less sensational than the media hype.
Of course, if gay men were all painting their nails, knitting cushions and mincing around like John Inman, you wouldn't have any problem spotting them. But, as ever, the truth is less sensational than the media hype.
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thank god?
first of all my mother was taught to knit by her grandfather and he was a regular soldier in the gordons(no joke about the gay gordons please). apparently a lot of soldiers and saliors did knitting and sewing. i'm not certain but i think the army was as bad then as now for not replacing kit so the troops did their own repairs, and did the army in victorian and edwardian times issue cold weather kit? i dont think so, so they made their own. and as for the raf well we have senior officers who spend 30k of taxpayers money on curtains for their official residence!! thank god that rifkind sacked him.
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What's all that stuff about dodgy bars in Bugis Street?
I was once savouring a rather nice dish of chili crab [accompanied by a delightful bottle of 1970 Anchor] at a respectable eating establishment in Bugis Street. I spotted a matelot at another table across the street, with one of those disgusting transexual people forcing itself on the the poor chap. I went over and warned him that his companion may not be all that they seemed and he told me politely to "F*ck off and mind my own business!" Serves him right if he woke up next morning with a sore bottom, thats what I say. What?
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I was once savouring a rather nice dish of chili crab [accompanied by a delightful bottle of 1970 Anchor] at a respectable eating establishment in Bugis Street. I spotted a matelot at another table across the street, with one of those disgusting transexual people forcing itself on the the poor chap. I went over and warned him that his companion may not be all that they seemed and he told me politely to "F*ck off and mind my own business!" Serves him right if he woke up next morning with a sore bottom, thats what I say. What?
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