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Recognition of UK Military qualifications

Old 11th Jun 2024, 15:08
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Old 11th Jun 2024, 15:35
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I registered when the much vaunted Veterans Charter came out and the practice put up a poster advertising as conforming to it. They ticked a box on my file to show that I'm ex military. No change

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Old 12th Jun 2024, 04:35
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Originally Posted by Whenurhappy
One advantage of being medically discharged is free prescriptions. Oh, and a free 24/7 Oyster card (ie free travel across London). Oh, and no tax on my Service Invalidity Pension and War Disability Payments. And fast track NHS access.

So, as a veteran, I'm OK, Jack.
all free prescriptions saves you is about £100 a year give or take.
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Old 12th Jun 2024, 11:20
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Prescriptions are free in England from the age of 60 - which I believe is now the upper age limit for RAF Officers.
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Old 12th Jun 2024, 11:44
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Lomon.
The ones that always weren't were pilot and ATC, probably to stop the immediate exodus of military personnel to the civilian sector. Whilst there have always been financial incentives for pilots to stay in the service the same isn't true for controllers.

I think that the main reason for not recognising military pilots qualifications is that, apart from the transport fleet pilots, they know little or nothing about commercial
flying. Having been involved with training ex-military guys I found that a lot of them did not transition to a multi-crew environment easily, especially the more senior
ones. Having said that, the UK guys were infinitely better at it than the far eastern ex-air force pilots I also dealt with over the years.

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Old 12th Jun 2024, 15:11
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Originally Posted by Biggus
Prescriptions are free in England from the age of 60 - which I believe is now the upper age limit for RAF Officers.
Not quite Biggus - I was extended beyond 60 in a flying job on what was termed MEOS+ . Not uncommon when there is a need on certain front-line platforms. Should add, that was as a regular and not a reservist.
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Old 12th Jun 2024, 19:39
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Must employ older seniors?
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Old 13th Jun 2024, 07:25
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Originally Posted by Fly3
Lomon.
The ones that always weren't were pilot and ATC, probably to stop the immediate exodus of military personnel to the civilian sector. Whilst there have always been financial incentives for pilots to stay in the service the same isn't true for controllers.

I think that the main reason for not recognising military pilots qualifications is that, apart from the transport fleet pilots, they know little or nothing about commercial
flying. Having been involved with training ex-military guys I found that a lot of them did not transition to a multi-crew environment easily, especially the more senior.
..and of course you wouldn’t expect for example ex-fast jetters to know much if anything about commercial SOPs….I have to say when I went mil->civ a long time back there were some darned odd expectations at the airline end:…”what do you mean, you’ve been flying for 15 years and never done an Atlantic Clearance…how on earth can that be possible?…

Hopefully things have changed from the days when you got zero credit from the likes of the CAA for subjects that you had possibly been teaching in a military classroom and as a result you ended up plodding through Morse, basic aerodynamics and basic met.
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Old 22nd Jun 2024, 07:08
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Beags , back in those days a mate who was IRE [ on Boeings ] ; would nip down to Brize on his days off , hop on a VC10 and do an civi IR for the guys .
Flew later with one of his passes who had been a VC10 Flt Commander , now a B75/76 F/O.
Post 2012 , Training Command had dropped the ball with military credits which had previously been available . However as a Civi FI , various resettlement grants , training allowances , courses , still seemed to be used by Mil guys going Civi .
Another odd one ; doing B75 line/route training with an new join ex Puma pilot . In the tea bar , ''wait a min. there's an old colleague'' .... He returned saying '' that guy's a B74 Classic skipper now , whilst a decade ago he was my Flt Sgt LM in the back of my Puma '' !
Wiggy , had been the same for us civis... Short Haul for 20 yrs , ETOPs/N.Atlantic training went VHF 'Blue Spruce' route both ways .
1st atlantic trip , with a Skipper exactly same as I . Thus we became self taught .... as per the book ; call to Shanwick for the Ocean clrnce .. '' Standby ''
40 mins later no clrnce.. 4 mins to Ocean boundary .... I recalled saying '' do you want us to hold clear or enter '' ?
Reply '' why didn't you call earlier '' ? ... Us , '' we did , 45 mins ago , and you said Standby '' !

rgds condor .

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Old 25th Jun 2024, 14:03
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no such luck

As a 3500+ FJ guy who just obtained his frozen ATPL I can confirm there is next to no credit given. I didn’t have to do any formal ground school hours but I needed to sit all 13 (changed from 14 a couple of years ago when IFR/VFR Comms were merged) exams and complete a civil MEP CPL and IR.
They now expect me to complete a UPRT course to learn how to recognise and recover from spins, stalls and have awareness of AoA. I’ve been a CFS A2 for 14 years teaching this stuff daily without a break in flying……. Oh and they also won’t give me an FI (Flying Instructor) Qual without doing another course (1800+ hrs logged QFI) The fault squarely lies at the door of the MOD/RAF for not doing anything - but why would they. We do fortunately have an excellent individual fighting our corner off his own back! Fingers crossed his efforts pay off soon but he’ll be the sole person to thank if they do.
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Old 25th Jun 2024, 15:02
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That is obviously beyond ridiculous HE. On a much less experienced level my son after 5 years university air squadron and 80 hours plus flying taught by highly qualified instructors akin to yourself including aerobatics, formation, solo etc was given zero credit for a PPL from the CAA. Alice in Wonderland really.
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Old 25th Jun 2024, 16:20
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Indeed it is but I understand it’s what the MOD wanted as there was no push for any exemptions.

I obtained my ATPL 20 years ago, I sat air law & did an IRT on a C130 with a CAA examiner on board who happened to be ex-mil (I’d done my IRE with him on a Bulldog some years before).

I did my FI 5 years ago as part of resettlement, using an ELC I did a couple of flights - I taught spinning & Aeros on a Firefly (which I’d never flown before and not done any for 20 years) and the FI test on a PA-28, from which I got an unrestricted FI rating with aerobatic instructor. The examiner said that ex-mil QFIs were streets ahead of the civvies he normally taught (I was A2/ IRE on 3 types). As I was doing a mil to civil conversion I effectively had an exemption from doing the whole FI course and I certainly didn’t expect to be given it on a plate (although I pretty much was).

When I was doing the CFS course in the mid-90s one of the staff did an FI test on a Cessna, a type he hadn’t flown before although he was current on the Bulldog. At the end his CAA examiner offered him a job as an examiner…

Should there be greater exemptions? Absolutely but as has been stated it’s obvious why the RAF doesn’t want there to be any. Ironically I think it can work the other way. Having worked hard in your spare time and at considerable cost to obtain a licence most people will leave to use it outside.

Having obtained my ATPL for minimal work and relatively little cost (around £1000 20 years ago) I then stayed in until the end of my service at 55. I was happy to have it as insurance but didn’t feel the need to rush off and use it.

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Old 26th Jun 2024, 09:10
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None of us need pointing out that the two worlds can be similar and due credit given. Equally, the two worlds can be vastly different in daily practice and training and care given to what is credited.

Forgive me for repeating because I mentioned this story somewhere before. Fle with a new Ex mill Lightening Ace. His first Line trip. He was, actually, my hero and I knew I would exhaust him all the way to Teneriffe & back demanding one exciting RAF Lightening story after another. But, came to the approach brief and true to SOP's , my leg, he sat and looked interested as we went through the nause of agreeing that we both had Aerad charts, same date, same place etc, etc, blah blah.. Finally, I looked up and asked the standard question ;" Any questions ?". He replied ;" Can't we just go in and land- ?" !! Marve.
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