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Old 5th Jun 2024, 12:37
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BBMF still grounded?

Local social media is still saying there will be flt pasts from the BBMF over the next few days

The RAF/BBMF website hasn't any information on current status

Any idea on status?

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15th Jun 2024, 02:15
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Originally Posted by Jobza Guddun
BBMF grounding affects every platform, everybody else appears to be operating their aircraft as normal.
With good reason, you obviously are not involved in aircraft engineering, the grounding is in place for safety reasons, End Of.

Until the findings and cause is established you simply CANNOT rule out causes other than mechanical failure.

As the BBMF are a more or less a self contained unit, you need to show that their procedures and processes are spot on and working correctly, if there is an item that isn’t, then the procedures and processes failure may be attributed to or could have contributed to the accident, and as they work on the whole fleet, then due diligence needs to investigate if the rest of the fleet could thus also be affected.
Hence to groundings.

I realise everyone wants to get their fix of seeing the BBMF doing their thing and sharing these precious commodities with the public,.
But an aircraft is just a collection of parts and can be rebuilt, including the one involved in the accident, unfortunately pilots cannot be and their safety and their lives are paramount in all of this.

So stop wittering on about lack of updates on the BBMF website and let the investigators and the BBMF do their job and find a cause whatever it is, to prevent it happening again.

Remember flight safety is built upon the knowledge gained from aircraft accidents and loses dating back to when the Wright Brothers first took to the air, it is a progression of lessons learnt over the years to hopefully prevent accidents and to help save the lives of those that fly today and in the future.

i for one wish the BBMF family. both air and ground crew well at this time, they and the aircraft will be under scrutiny and even though I feel it was more of a mechanical issue, I realise what a strain and self doubt it puts into the minds of people at times like this, what if we did this, why didn’t we find it, etc

So, in passing, let them take the time they need to find, understand the problem and to rectify it for future operations.


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According to this, as of June 3rd, BBMF is still grounded

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/243...-day-memorial/

On occasions when tragedies like this happen, family of the lost person say things like "they would have wanted it to go ahead as planned". However the caveat is that they still do not know what caused the accident and putting the aircraft up as planned with that still being unknown is a massive risk, and one that despite the importance of the events taking place for D-Day, it is too great a risk to take.
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RAF said that BBMF wouldn't be taking part in any of their upcoming scheduled D-Day commemoration events, due to grounding pending investigation, so I wouldn't be expecting to see them return to the air anytime in the next few weeks at the very least.
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Old 5th Jun 2024, 14:59
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No Dakota even? This is probably the last major D-Day commemoration that will be attended by a significant number of D-Day vets.
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AFAIK the grounding is only of those powered by Merlins
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Old 5th Jun 2024, 15:03
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I thought it was entire BBMF. Happy to be corrected.
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Are the Biggin Hill and other group Spitfires still flying?
Fighter Control suggests that the Grace Spitfire was up yesterday.
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Old 5th Jun 2024, 16:07
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Originally Posted by Thud105
I thought it was entire BBMF. Happy to be corrected.
My impression too. If this event began with an engine failure then the Merlin connection is obvious and will not be resolved until the failure mode is known, and mitigating inspections or procedures put in place.

That said, the potential for engine failure is a normal operating hazard and should have been survivable. That a "survivable emergency" degenerated into a tragedy is, perhaps, an opportunity to step back and review organisational aspects of training, authorisation and supervision. I must add that I venture this opinion entirely without criticism; a family member was a non-flying member of the Flight, and I had the privilege of working alongside some of the aircrew in their day-jobs, and I have never worked with a more professional group of individuals.

I also feel compelled to comment on the OPs remark about the RAF/BBMF Website; it's an absolute disgrace. It should be the first point of contact for the public yet, 11 days after the accident, the "Latest News" is an update on the Dakota's maintenance, dateline 20 March.
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BBMF grounding affects every platform, everybody else appears to be operating their aircraft as normal.
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The Dakota is still undergoing major servicing, not due back until the autumn.
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Two Daks flypast in lunchtiime news coverage of the Normandy commemorations.
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Local news showed a Dakota doing parachute drops in the Honiton area today.
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No doubt, but not the BBMF Dakota.
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Originally Posted by Ken Scott
No doubt, but not the BBMF Dakota.
That one had to be partly re-built after it's mishap at Farnborough in about 1990. I did the runway inspection when it was moved to the hangar; the mainspar was distinctly curved (the wingtip rested on the ground) and the port prop had broken off at the reduction gear because the prop was still turning when the blades hit the tarmac.
It flew again with Transport Flight then DRA decided it wasn't in the business of using aircraft to transport boffins so Transport Flight was disbanded and the Dakota transferred to BBMF.
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Old 5th Jun 2024, 20:11
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Dakota flew over Dartford this morning heading northish
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Apropos of not very much, it seems strange that the Dakota was scheduled for deep maintenance this year when it would have been front and centre in the commemorations for the two most notable airborne assaults in history, OVERLORD and MARKET GARDEN.

Maybe it will be available to remember VARSITY next year, not that it is likely that will be recorded to any great extent.
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Old 5th Jun 2024, 20:22
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Originally Posted by Ken Scott
The Dakota is still undergoing major servicing, not due back until the autumn.
Blimey - are they gold-plating it! A civvy Check 4 (Major Inspection) usually took around 5 - 6 weeks with 12 - 20 engineers/contractors on hand and that often included engine changes, fuel tank bay inspections, floor beam and wing attach angle/doubler replacements and corroded spar & miscellaneous airframe repairs as necessary. It's not a difficult aircraft to work on.
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Originally Posted by Stuck On The Ground
Apropos of not very much, it seems strange that the Dakota was scheduled for deep maintenance this year when it would have been front and centre in the commemorations for the two most notable airborne assaults in history, OVERLORD and MARKET GARDEN.

Maybe it will be available to remember VARSITY next year, not that it is likely that will be recorded to any great extent.
Yeah, it’s strange because scheduled maintenance is normally planned around historical events rather than flying hours or calendar dates.
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12 - 20 engineers/contractors on hand
​​​​​​​You probably answered your own incredulity right there…..
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