RAF Chinook pilot jailed for sexual assault
I knew that would be the response but I am really not so sure. The behaviour reported on RN submarines, in the met and in this case is like nothing I ever heard of in “my day” and I had a pretty good cross section of friends, male and female, of all ranks.
Ok, if you say so. I must have spent 30 years in an ivory tower. We can agree however, that the fact that it is not tolerated in the military now is a good thing. Now for the Met!
Might this be [I make so daring] a part conssequence of the equality sought so earnestly? I hope not, but many men no longer see women as frail ladies, to be protected, given precedence through doors, given seats on transport, and walked on the inside, away from the road edge?
Were the old blokes here the last generation to have these simple courtesies drummed into them?
I have known women bridling at being deferred to, demanding equality. Perhap the Law of Unintended Consequences is working.
NB. This is not the argument "she was all tarted uo, short skirts, and flashing her knockers, so she was asking for it"
Much more subtle than that.
Were the old blokes here the last generation to have these simple courtesies drummed into them?
I have known women bridling at being deferred to, demanding equality. Perhap the Law of Unintended Consequences is working.
NB. This is not the argument "she was all tarted uo, short skirts, and flashing her knockers, so she was asking for it"
Much more subtle than that.
Once when a group of rowdy teenagers approached I would cross the road unless there was a girl with them.
I felt that a female would be a moderating influence on the boys. Now I think girls have become boys and boys have become girls and I cross the road. I'm a bit old fashioned and am fiercely protective of female relatives.
I believe that this Sqn Ldr should be a guest at Colchester as well. They know a lot about custodial hospitality.
Might this be [I make so daring] a part conssequence of the equality sought so earnestly? I hope not, but many men no longer see women as frail ladies, to be protected, given precedence through doors, given seats on transport, and walked on the inside, away from the road edge?
Were the old blokes here the last generation to have these simple courtesies drummed into them?
I have known women bridling at being deferred to, demanding equality. Perhap the Law of Unintended Consequences is working.
NB. This is not the argument "she was all tarted uo, short skirts, and flashing her knockers, so she was asking for it"
Much more subtle than that.
Were the old blokes here the last generation to have these simple courtesies drummed into them?
I have known women bridling at being deferred to, demanding equality. Perhap the Law of Unintended Consequences is working.
NB. This is not the argument "she was all tarted uo, short skirts, and flashing her knockers, so she was asking for it"
Much more subtle than that.
what are you implying here? This has nothing to do with women wanted equality. It’s about a f*cked up, entitled, little man. There’s no justification.
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For what it’s worth I can see where LB was coming from. We should be allowed to question why a seemingly intelligent individual has committed such a heinous act and try to work out if it is indicative of a wider societal problem. I don’t think we need to brand LB a misogynist dinosaur just for asking a question.
For the record I think the the ex-Officer is an absolute disgrace and the sentence is far too lenient. He seemed to be suffering from some sort of God complex and his statements are abhorrent. He has brought shame on the entire RAF and the men especially. I shudder to think I could have been surrounded by such monsters when I was serving.
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For the record I think the the ex-Officer is an absolute disgrace and the sentence is far too lenient. He seemed to be suffering from some sort of God complex and his statements are abhorrent. He has brought shame on the entire RAF and the men especially. I shudder to think I could have been surrounded by such monsters when I was serving.
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Once when a group of rowdy teenagers approached I would cross the road unless there was a girl with them.
I felt that a female would be a moderating influence on the boys. Now I think girls have become boys and boys have become girls and I cross the road. I'm a bit old fashioned and am fiercely protective of female relatives.
I believe that this Sqn Ldr should be a guest at Colchester as well. They know a lot about custodial hospitality.
I felt that a female would be a moderating influence on the boys. Now I think girls have become boys and boys have become girls and I cross the road. I'm a bit old fashioned and am fiercely protective of female relatives.
I believe that this Sqn Ldr should be a guest at Colchester as well. They know a lot about custodial hospitality.
You should hear the stories of those “older” ladies, friends of mine, who joined up with me in the 80s and all of us currently serving. Every single one of them were sexually assaulted, and misogyny and sexism was rife. None of them reported it because that was the culture then. Glad to say that this is definitely not the case now. Any behaviour like that, previously “accepted” is totally unacceptable now. Try treating “frail” ladies like that now and watch your career vanish.
For what it’s worth I can see where LB was coming from. We should be allowed to question why a seemingly intelligent individual has committed such a heinous act and try to work out if it is indicative of a wider societal problem. I don’t think we need to brand LB a misogynist dinosaur just for asking a question.
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Unfortunately pprune is like other social media sites. Jaw dropping personal insults with no understanding of nuance or differing perspective. I also have only read reasonable and well constructed posts from LB. For the avoidance of doubt I have no support for the individual who has committed a horrible crime and has received the justice he deserved.
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I was on the same RAF squadron as this guy. He was an arrogant, cocky, self obsessed individual, he thought the world revolved around him.
When this came to light it did not surprise me at all based on what I know of him.
Agree with the comments above that his sentence is not long enough, however, in reality his personal sentence will be longer. Loss of job, loss of military pension, loss of wife, loss of credibility, his name forever searchable on Google - what a fool.
When this came to light it did not surprise me at all based on what I know of him.
Agree with the comments above that his sentence is not long enough, however, in reality his personal sentence will be longer. Loss of job, loss of military pension, loss of wife, loss of credibility, his name forever searchable on Google - what a fool.
Maybe the saying "all the good ones get out as corporals and captains" is as relevant as it was when I first heard it nearly 20 years ago.
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What about her distinguished service, after all the RAF is not just one person, it takes a team to operate and her service should have balanced out his service and his sentence should not have been reduced because of it. Though it was a pitiful sentence in my eyes to start with.
Bayliss had his sentence reduced from the two year starting point to 18 months, partly due to his distinguished career, which included active service in Afghanistan, Iraq and West Africa.
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If you think that 'back in my day'women were not sexually assaulted then you are very very wrong. The Atherton report is a daming indictment of over 30yrs of military culture to women and is an extremely uncomfortable read.
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I know many RAF women who were assaulted, it just wasn’t reported in the main. Remember the bar “game” involving drunk bloke biting a serving woman’s backside and hanging on as long as they could? I saw one female aircrew officer walk up to the crowd laughing after another assault of a work colleague and quietly said “ and if this happened to your mother, sister, partner, would it be so funny then?”.
she then reported the assault to the RAF police, it never happened again in that mess.
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......................has no chance of retaining chauvinist thoughts.
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I know many RAF women who were assaulted, it just wasn’t reported in the main. Remember the bar “game” involving drunk bloke biting a serving woman’s backside and hanging on as long as they could? I saw one female aircrew officer walk up to the crowd laughing after another assault of a work colleague and quietly said “ and if this happened to your mother, sister, partner, would it be so funny then?”.
she then reported the assault to the RAF police, it never happened again in that mess.
she then reported the assault to the RAF police, it never happened again in that mess.
I would add that on my OCTU a fellow cadet was put on review because he had sworn in the hearing of a female cadet. Very different times!
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