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"Russian jet collides with US drone over Black Sea"

Old 14th Mar 2023, 23:05
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
You did see the word "self"?
Yea I did. For self defense. Again I will repeat myself. No command authority is going to tell a drone operator to shoot down a manned Russian aircraft even in self defense of an unmanned drone. They reason the US has gone down the drone route is they are expendable. Having your drone knocked out of the sky is a minor international incident (what are the US going to do? More sanctions). Knocking down a manned Russian fighter in international airspace even in self defense of again.. a drone is going to make a shit storm international incident.
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Old 14th Mar 2023, 23:08
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
The drone was minding its own business then? Or was it spying too, albeit in international airspace. Perhaps a question of degree rather than an absolute?
Sorry Vldimir, no one here understands, leave alone that treacherous and ridiculous excuse.
(As long as it was) in international airspace (and we have no reason to believe it was not - so despite any RuZZist conspiricy theorists a verifiable location will soon be published) )the drone is allowed to do as it pleases and its destruction in international airspace is an act overt international aggression, if not of war.
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Old 14th Mar 2023, 23:08
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Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst
Yea I did. For self defense. Again I will repeat myself. No command authority is going to tell a drone operator to shoot down a manned Russian aircraft even in self defense of an unmanned drone. They reason the US has gone down the drone route is they are expendable. Having your drone knocked out of the sky is a minor international incident (what are the US going to do? More sanctions). Knocking down a manned Russian fighter in international airspace even in self defense of again.. a drone is going to make a shit storm international incident.
I think that you have the right of it
... but ...
if a Reaper were to shoot down a MiG or Su with a Hellfire missile, would that not be newsworthy? (More of a "Man bites dog!" sort of headline)
(Yes, the feces storm would soon follow)
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Old 14th Mar 2023, 23:13
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Originally Posted by T28B
I think that you have the right of it
... but ...
if a Reaper were to shoot down a MiG or Su with a Hellfire missile, would that not be newsworthy? (More of a "Man bites dog!" sort of headline)
(Yes, the feces storm would soon follow)
Sorry not really sure of the point you are trying to make?

Of course it would be newsworthy. Most definitely not the type of news the US would want to be making at a time they are trying to pry India from Russian influence, and keep China from supplying arms to Russia.
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Originally Posted by mangere1957
Has anybody got the FR24 flight track of the drone? Might be interesting.
I doubt that it was broadcasting ADS-b information.
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 00:18
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Originally Posted by Sfojimbo
I doubt that it was broadcasting ADS-b information.
That call sign was one of the highest followed in all of FR24!
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Originally Posted by Sfojimbo
I doubt that it was broadcasting ADS-b information.
Thanks. That, too, is interesting. I'd have thought that the Russians would have been able to track it even absent ADS-b, and the possibility that they did in fact do so is supported by the US contention that Russian aircraft did in fact intercept it(and cause it to crash).

I wonder from whom the US was trying to hide the Predator(a Hunter/killer, not primarily intelligence gatherer), if not the Russians. And why: what would be the point? Surely safety, if not aviation law, would call for ADS-b data transmission.
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Originally Posted by 212man
That call sign was one of the highest followed in all of FR24!
Thanks for that. If you can be bothered could you post a FR 24 track record of the predator and the Russian fighters(if they were transmitting location)? I've tried to do it, but have only basic FR 24 and been totally unsuccessful in finding out how to do so.
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Originally Posted by 212man
That call sign was one of the highest followed in all of FR24!
You're thinking of a different drone.
Read post#60.
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 00:38
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Originally Posted by mangere1957
Thanks for that. If you can be bothered could you post a FR 24 track record of the predator and the Russian fighters(if they were transmitting location)? I've tried to do it, but have only basic FR 24 and been totally unsuccessful in finding out how to do so.
The fighters, Russian and most NATO don't broadcast ADS-b.
Occasionally an Eurofighter shows up but I've never seen any American types.
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 00:47
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Originally Posted by mangere1957
Just curious as to how you know what the drone operator thought. I'm guessing that you don't have reliable remote mind-reading capabilities. I do realise that the CIA once carried out 'remote-viewing'; maybe you are one of the reliable remote-viewers that the CIA identified?

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On that basis, we don't know if there was a drone, any Russian aircraft, or Russia exists at all. Perhaps Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
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The biggest problem will be for the pilot who has to explain what happened to the fighter and why there is a ding in it. "It was like that when I signed it out" is unlikely to work.
Thanks for your rapid response. Unfortunately my comment was rabidly deleted, but due to your diligence was saved by the quote feature.*

On cost/benefit analysis the Su27 pilot must be ahead by a factor of at least a hundred and possibly much more. So maybe he will be OK and some fun stuff can continue.

* I'm such an irreverent *as*ard; I joke around all the time. I missed where respectful(but irreverent) comments are not permitted. I guess this whole thread will shortly be deleted, and I'll be gone again for a few years.
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 01:39
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Originally Posted by Sfojimbo
You're thinking of a different drone.
Read post#60.
Yeah probably actually forte 11 or 12 which are different drones
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Originally Posted by atakacs
Does anyone know if the Su-27 has fuel dump capability ?
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I'm sure there is someone here that actually knows.
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 02:26
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Originally Posted by atakacs View Post
Does anyone know if the Su-27 has fuel dump capability ?
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As far as I can find it seems likely that 'dump'ing is via afterburner nozzles.
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 03:27
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Originally Posted by Sfojimbo
This wasn't an MQ-4 Global Hawk like those we see on FR-24 almost every day flying above 50,000 ft,collecting intelligence.
This was an MQ-9 which carries weapons and flies much lower.
The MQ-9 has a published operational altitude of 50,000 ft.
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 04:11
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Originally Posted by WillFlyForCheese
The MQ-9 has a published operational altitude of 50,000 ft.
And the FORTE MQ-4s from Sigonella fly at 55,000 ft on the later parts of every mission.
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 04:45
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I'm reluctant to attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. It it possible the Russian pilots were ordered to shadow or harass the MQ-9 but collided instead through ham-fisted maneuvering?
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Jeeze, your like kids!
According to Wikipedia the MQ-9 Reaper is an Unarmed Aerial Vehicle - aka UAV.

One assumes this $17million USD piece of kit, would have some sort of aircraft vicinity sensors, then I'm sure the US of A will present to the world that indeed a SU27 did get very wery close.
Also, this MQ-9 would have a gazillion amounts of GPS data so I'm sure the US will let us all know exactly where it lost signal (Internation Airspace).
And one would think that the SU27 would have cameras...?

If the SU27 did dump fuel, is it possible that the fuel would ignite on getting around the MQ-9 rear engine? But surely at high speed it would be a feat of aeronautical excellence to work out the depth of the spray and wind diffusion - not something that every pilot would learn in a Fighter Pilots skills to "Burn an enemy plane down, do this...".





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Old 15th Mar 2023, 06:19
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Originally Posted by Obba
Jeeze, your like kids!
According to Wikipedia the MQ-9 Reaper is an Unarmed Aerial Vehicle - aka UAV.
Not according to the Wikipedia I get. It's unarmed until it's armed.

My Wikipedia includes this:
The MQ-9 carries a variety of weapons including the GBU-12 Paveway II [email protected] bomb, the AGM-114 Hellfire II air-to-ground missiles, the AIM-9 Sidewinder, and the GBU-38 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM). Tests are underway to allow for the addition of the AIM-92 Stinger air-to-air missile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genera...cs_MQ-9_Reaper
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Is it possible, fuel in this case is being confused with contrails?
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