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"Russian jet collides with US drone over Black Sea"

Old 16th Mar 2023, 23:22
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Originally Posted by ORAC
An Aegis cruiser would be an easier way to provide AD cover for the various drone & ISR orbits in the area

I believe the Bosphorus is closed to warships.
Its just been opened.

Your first point, there is 100% no way the US is going to “provide AD cover” in a conflict they aren’t in, and against a nuclear power. If they send any ships it will be a lightly armoured, defensive platform rather than An offensive platform. Remember this is a proxy fight. Not something anyone (even the Russians) want turning hot.
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Old 16th Mar 2023, 23:37
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Having received the offer from Turkey it would be militarily and politically impolite to refuse.

And you don’t send someone with a knife to a gunfight.
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Old 16th Mar 2023, 23:46
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In the second pass, the Aircraft was at a high angle of dangle, so lost sight of the UAV and if you watch the clip, the UAV hud shows it initiates a turn into the path of the SU 27 so contact was made. The pilot with it in his blind spot wouldn’t see it.

Watch it frame by frame and follow the N for North.

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Old 17th Mar 2023, 00:10
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I can see all the chemtrail idiots citing this video as 'proof'.
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 04:50
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Just noticed this difference in the airspace interpretation west of Crimea.
From the BBC, Video shows moment Russian fighter jet hits US drone over Black Sea - BBC News

Russian Ambassador to the US Anatoly Antonov said the drone had "violated boundaries of the temporary airspace regime established for the special military operation".

But Mr Kirby said the airspace was international and not restricted.
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Has anyone mentioned ICAO 101.33?
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 05:14
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Originally Posted by john.wb

Its just been opened.
Its always been opened it only closed to warships of the combatants, Ukraine and Russia. Other countries entry only restricted by the Montrouex agreement, which limits how many times a specifics countrie that is not a black sea power can enter the black sea and for how long.
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 08:28
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Geolocated position of the drone.






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Old 17th Mar 2023, 12:00
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Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst
There is less than zero chance of the US trying to impose a no fly zone. They will let Ukraine loose before that would even enter a conversation.
An illuminating piece from someone who's just launched a diatribe against another poster for not using a spellchecker (I for one hadn't realised it was mandatory).
Few of us were aware that the USA is somehow restraining or holding Ukraine back, so in what sense could they ever "let them loose"?
Pot-kettle chum, and in spades as Nick H's error - such as it was - was clearly no more than a single misplaced finger on a keyboard aka a typo and not apparently an absolutely cringe-worthy third-grade linguistic howler.
I'll refrain from commenting on your dogmatic 'appraisal' of America's tactical intentions and especially your extraordinarily self-contradictory comments on the nature of the conflict, but added to further multiple errors in punctuation and a random capital letter this all merely adds to the altogether thoroughly third-grade impression.

ps you did intend to say "let them lose", didn't you? Please tell us you don't really think the USA is holding Ukraine back on a leash?
...do you?

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Old 17th Mar 2023, 13:08
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Your first point, there is 100% no way the US is going to “provide AD cover” in a conflict they aren’t in,
To repeat the obvious, they are more than entitled to protected their own assets from attack when flying in international airspace - as the RAF are already doing.

The only thing that would change is the means of doing so.

https://www.itamilradar.com/2022/10/...d-by-typhoons/

Typhoons is are now regularly seen on patrol over the Black Sea when RAF ISR flights are in the area.
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 17:27
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Volcanic ash dispensed into the propwash could make such maneuvers hard on turbine engine components with a high degree of deniability
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 17:35
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Typhoons is are now regularly seen on patrol over the Black Sea when RAF ISR flights are in the area.
What would the rules of engagement be if the Russians tried to force one of our Reapers down without actually shooting at it?
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 17:53
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Originally Posted by Nick H.
What would the rules of engagement be if the Russians tried to force one of our Reapers down without actually shooting at it?
I'm not aware of any of our Reapers flying near Ukraine.
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 18:18
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
I'm not aware of any of our Reapers flying near Ukraine.
But if there were. It's quite complicated, legally and morally. Our asset is being threatened, but our people aren't. And the Russians can reasonably assume that we're helping Ukraine to kill Russians.
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Russia worried of repercussions? But hang on, surely that is exactly what they have done.

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Old 17th Mar 2023, 19:06
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
I'm not aware of any of our Reapers flying near Ukraine.
If they were, you would be unlikely to know, it would hardly be advertised and if you were in a position to know, you would not be allowed to say.
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 19:40
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Both pilots have been given medals. https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ne-2023-03-17/ The official story is that they intercepted it without hitting it. It crashed because the operator lost control.
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 19:56
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If they were, you would be unlikely to know, it would hardly be advertised and if you were in a position to know, you would not be allowed to say.
Actually we would be very likely to know, as we'd have an idea of which airfield/country they were operating out of. I've seen no reports of UK Reapers flying out of a European base.
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 20:26
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
Actually we would be very likely to know, as we'd have an idea of which airfield/country they were operating out of. I've seen no reports of UK Reapers flying out of a European base.
You've not received any reports about the spy-drone. I see.
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You've not received any reports about the spy-drone. I see.
Seen any reports, not received any reports. Have you seen any? Can't hide such movements these days.
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