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High altitude object shot down

Old 11th Feb 2023, 22:23
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Originally Posted by Mozella
They say it was "cylindrical" and was "floating". Could it be this?

That’s all hot air.
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 22:28
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Am I the only one who things this is grossly irresponsible of the US?
​​​​​​​Probably.
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Am I the only one who things this is grossly irresponsible of the US? Serious questions should be asked by other countries about their approach to how they deal with something they don’t understand. They have confirmed they don’t know the origin, nationality or intention of these UFO so they just shoot them out of the sky instead of shadowing them and vectoring civil traffic around.

Maybe they know more, in fact I hope they do, such that it justifies their actions; but with tensions around the world running so high, the US should not be pouring more fuel on the fire with, what seems to me, political gesturing using live weapons and targets they seem to know nothing about.

Some questions:

How does anyone know the airworthiness of anything unidentified and potentially flying over populated areas?

How does anyone know the intent behind whoever launched such a flying machine when it's unidentified?

Take this for a scenario. The thing is loaded with a couple of hundred kg of novichok. Not far fetched. Russia has cast caution to the wind when deploying this stuff (twice). What's the safest thing to do? Do you carry on letting it fly across the USA? Free to drop its payload anywhere it chooses?

Biden was a dick in not destroying the first balloon sooner. Hell of a risk letting something unknown, with an unknown payload, fly right across the continental US. May be he knew what it *might* be. Still a hell of a gamble. Seems that lessons were learned from the last balloon. This thing was shot down when still in a wilderness area. Bloody good job too. Best to be safe than sorry. We sure do live in interesting times. Would not surprise me in the least to find that there are weapons of mass destruction we know sod all about.

Maybe time I took my tinfoil hat off and and accept the inevitable My judgement my be affected by having recently succumbed to the Chinese bastard bug. Not blaming them. They didn't do much to stop millions being killed by it though. Arguably their actions were worse than those of Hitler (not being serious, just provocative).
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Originally Posted by m0nkfish
Am I the only one who things this is grossly irresponsible of the US? Serious questions should be asked by other countries about their approach to how they deal with something they don’t understand. They have confirmed they don’t know the origin, nationality or intention of these UFO so they just shoot them out of the sky instead of shadowing them and vectoring civil traffic around.

Maybe they know more, in fact I hope they do, such that it justifies their actions; but with tensions around the world running so high, the US should not be pouring more fuel on the fire with, what seems to me, political gesturing using live weapons and targets they seem to know nothing about.
Not sure how the US or Canada are at fault here? China is deliberately violating their airspace with reconnaissance balloons and then taking a page from the Russian playbook - Deny, cast doubt, mock. We've seen this exact tactic played over and over the last year. It's a sure sign they're up to no good.

I find it a worrying turn of events - why do they feel the need to do this now?

Perhaps to probe US Nuclear capabilities pre-Taiwan invasion, or to pass Intel to their Russian friends? All it takes is a satellite uplink. Maybe one day a balloon manages to get over the mainland with a bucket of sunshine.

I dont blame them for shooting them down.
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 22:53
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The truth is out there….

”the F-22 pilots who tracked the aircraft that was downed over Alaska yesterday said that it “Interfered with their sensors" and that “they could see no propulsion system on the aircraft”….
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Sounds like there is another one about to be dropped over Montana ...
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Old 12th Feb 2023, 00:12
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Sounds like there is another one about to be dropped over Montana ...
Not any more, it appears.....

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...udeau-00082440

May need yet another thread....
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Old 12th Feb 2023, 00:17
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I think that is the earlier one ... they just closed airspace for "national defense reasons" around Havre, Montana and there is a stratotanker up there.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-...es-2023-02-12/
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F-15's and RC-135 scrambled into montana they were on flight tracker for first few minutes of flight

F-15's from portland ANG
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CNN and Daily Mail are now reporting the KC-135 is departing the Havre, Montana area to the west, and the airspace restriction has been lifted.

(scroll down below the maps to see the update).

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ercept-it.html

Starting to get the feeling these are now exercises in "Poking the Eagle - and perhaps the Beaver." Maybe to test responsea, or play "the boy who cried wolf" until our guard slips (again), or just hazing in payback for continued legitimate recon flights over the China Sea, etc.
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Something drifting over from DPRK's party parade extravaganza the other night, containing measures of laughing gas?
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https://abcnews.go.com/International...ry?id=97058669
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I orbited a sheep at about 7000ft above Cambridgeshire a number of years ago.

Well, a balloon the shape of a sheep. It had no visible means of propulsion either!
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Big revelations this week about balloons spying on US. These aren't really revelations. Two years ago I laid out exactly this was happening, why it was happening, its historical precedent, that it was directly conflated with UAP, and that was a big problem.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ke-theyre-ufos

Adversary Drones Are Spying On The U.S. And The Pentagon Acts Like They’re UFOs

April 16th 2021

We may not know the identities of all the mysterious craft that American military personnel and others have been seeing in the skies as of late, but I have seen more than enough to tell you that it is clear that a very terrestrial adversary is toying with us in our own backyard using relatively simple technologies—drones and balloons—and making off with what could be the biggest intelligence haul of a generation. While that may disappoint some who hope the origins of all these events are far more exotic in nature, the strategic implications of these bold operations, which have been happening for years, undeterred, are absolutely massive….
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Old 12th Feb 2023, 07:52
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Doesn't everything interfere with sensors? That's how sensors work.
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If you can put a device with a low/undetectable radar signature over a foreign country then you have a useful means of first-strike attack.

The only problem I can see is that to avoid being visibly detected you would have to stay in cloud. And balloons navigate by varying their height so as to stay in a layer of wind moving in the direction they want to go, so they might have to move out of cloud occasionally. But this could be handled by waiting until the right meteorological conditions....
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