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Old 11th Feb 2023, 15:19
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But it was put into orbit wasn't it. If it was at 40k then it must have reentered the atmosphere and what was left of it would only have been at 40k transiently on a downward trajectory.
It wasn’t put it orbit. It is on a course to impact the sun.
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Could we have a thread on JB relating to witty comments and tangents please? Move them all from serious threads into one.

It’s a thread about balloons. How can it be a “serious” thread!
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 15:35
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It wasn’t put it orbit. It is on a course to impact the sun.
It is in an elliptical orbit around the sun with an apogee beyond Mars orbit and a perigee at earth’s orbital distance from the sun.
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Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst
It’s a thread about balloons. How can it be a “serious” thread!
Then you won't mind starting a witty thread about balloons then. At least I can read about events without having to wade through all the puns and jokes I heard by the time I was ten.
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 16:39
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Have you heard the one about the Balloon thread and the snowflake?
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 17:00
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It’s a thread about balloons. How can it be a “serious” thread!
Where has it been positively proven that it was a balloon?
All we know at the moment is what has been reported by the F22 pilot which isn't much.
If it was 'the size of a car' at 40,000ft (the sort of level at which drones operate) it could have been a drone on a pre-programmed track so that its guidance couldn't be jammed or altered.
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It wasn’t put it orbit. It is on a course to impact the sun.
Nope. It's already been round more than three times. You can see where it is now, here.
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Maybe one of these ...
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 18:39
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Must be a sad life not being able to find humor in the world around us. Or a depressing one.

On the serious front, be interesting to see what this turns out to be, if they make it public. Smaller surveillance balloon? Actual weather device?
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 19:50
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Isn’t a missile overkill?

Isn’t there a cheaper option? Trailing 100m of barbed wire (or a high-tech equivalent)?
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Isn’t a missile overkill?

Isn’t there a cheaper option? Trailing 100m of barbed wire (or a high-tech equivalent)?
My (limited) understanding is that the options for bringing the balloon down (the first one) were restricted. They opted to use a Sidewinder minus it's warhead as the best way to bring it down where they wanted. This second object we know sod all about. Could have been another big surveillance balloon, could have been something else entirely. Trying to second guess tactical decision with zero knowledge is like pissing down your trouser leg. None here know what it may have been or what threat it may have posed. Could have been anything. Worth remembering that large numbers of weapons and training rounds are expended during training. Even if this was nothing significant it was worth the cost of the weapon for training.
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 20:33
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Must be a sad life not being able to find humor in the world around us. Or a depressing one.

On the serious front, be interesting to see what this turns out to be, if they make it public. Smaller surveillance balloon? Actual weather device?
”Why manage when you can overreact?”
Some of the comments made on multiple US Networks by so called experts and politicians in the the USA are cringeworthy.
At least one doesn’t seem to understand that in really cold weather the arctic oceans can freeze forming large sheets of thick ice that you can land helicopters and even aircraft on.
I guess they never heard of the Northwest Passage, Polar Shelf oil exploration project or the SS Manhattan. https://www.weather.gov/images/afc/ice/CT.jpg

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Old 11th Feb 2023, 21:16
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Reports of another object over Canada just coming in.

no propulsion, not a balloon and government is again unusually quiet on what it actually is….

and now another? Isn’t this how the sci-fi films start?


UPDATE: That has now been shot down too by an F-22 as ordered by Canadian PM.

3 kills for an F-22 over Canada / US in 2 weeks!

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Old 11th Feb 2023, 21:22
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A weather balloon would be substantially larger than “a small car” at 40,000ft (I’ve launched a few in my time - they were nearly the size of a small car at sea level). Also, it would continue to climb until the balloon expanded to such a point as to go pop.

An actual weather balloon (radiosonde) was very conveniently launched from Will Rogers Field at 00Z. It achieved at least FL650 before popping.

As to what the object in question was - no idea.
Yes, I was being sarcastic. It was actually “swamp gas”.
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 21:25
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Yes, I was being sarcastic. It was actually “swamp gas”.
Could have used the output from the lamb rogan josh I had last night
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 21:39
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Am I the only one who things this is grossly irresponsible of the US? Serious questions should be asked by other countries about their approach to how they deal with something they don’t understand. They have confirmed they don’t know the origin, nationality or intention of these UFO so they just shoot them out of the sky instead of shadowing them and vectoring civil traffic around.

Maybe they know more, in fact I hope they do, such that it justifies their actions; but with tensions around the world running so high, the US should not be pouring more fuel on the fire with, what seems to me, political gesturing using live weapons and targets they seem to know nothing about.
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 21:58
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Maybe the US govt is working on guidelines vs political knee jerk ? But as a US citizen asking other countries doesn’t always work out, UN failures come to mind
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Old 11th Feb 2023, 22:08
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They say it was "cylindrical" and was "floating". Could it be this?

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