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Chinese spy balloon over US

Old 3rd Feb 2023, 19:20
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Originally Posted by 70 Mustang View Post
Did it have "made in China" written on the side? Couldn't be from Russia or North Korea? Could it be that the respective government actually did not know?

Or something like the Bay of Pigs fiasco?

In the UK, I haven't seen or heard anything regarding how the "ownership" was determined?

Just asking. May have missed a news report ot two.
China has said it's theirs, only they're saying it's a civil weather balloon.
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Old 3rd Feb 2023, 19:27
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Still?

Why cancel the "Blinking" visit?
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Old 3rd Feb 2023, 19:43
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Originally Posted by Andrewgr2 View Post
Perhaps it is a stray weather balloon- but the PRC would say that, wouldn’t they? If it is actually spying then it might be more beneficial for the US to intercept its transmissions and decode what it is reporting than it would be to bring it down - if indeed they have the technology to bring down something flying at perhaps 80,000 feet. If they do have the technology they might not want to demonstrate it.
of course US has the technology to bring it down, but using expensive rockets(SM-3 costs north of $10M) that go to the edge of space would be an overkill for a balloon

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Old 3rd Feb 2023, 19:43
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In my opinion, the capabilities of this balloon are probably minimal and not the point. This is a strong statement from China - they can put their hardware directly over the US unopposed, and visible for all to see.

Powerful.
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Old 3rd Feb 2023, 19:58
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I beg to differ. As it loses buoyancy Archimedes loses the battle with Newton. As it descends increasing pressure, courtesy of Boyle, will compress the fixed mass of gas further decreasing the buoyancy and accelerating the descent and resulting in a fearsome bump. The only question is would the rising temperature at lower altitude bring Mr Charles to the rescue?
High altitude balloons are launched with a bubble of gas that is pretty small in volume compared to the volume at height, as the gas expands with reduced pressure at altitude. What counts is the displaced mass of the air the lifting gas replaces. Air masses (at sea level) 1.225 kg/m^3, helium 0.178 kg/m^3, so provides about 1 kg/m^3 of lift.
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Old 3rd Feb 2023, 20:16
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Originally Posted by Sue VÍtements View Post
Spying Over Montana?

Looking at a map I've always got the feeling that Montana is an old man spying on Idaho. Sticking his nose right into Idaho's business.

You can't unsee that now
In that case, I hate to think what Florida looks likeÖ..
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Old 3rd Feb 2023, 20:44
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Iíll be the cynicÖ. Put internal cargo that would produce an EMP blast

Hopefully the US will bring it down in the gulf or Atlantic coast
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Old 3rd Feb 2023, 20:47
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Must be some clever coves in the PRC that can launch a balloon and get it to arrive in the right place in the US.
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Old 3rd Feb 2023, 21:10
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John Dutton will sort it out 🤠
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Old 3rd Feb 2023, 21:25
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The Chinese will auto destruct the balloon over the sea -- the balloon might even have the capability to auto destruct if attacked.

I wonder when the next balloon is due?
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Old 3rd Feb 2023, 21:31
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They are just sending over some deliveries
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Old 3rd Feb 2023, 21:41
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I wonder when the next balloon is due?
If it's like London busses, there won't be any for a while, then four will come along at the same time
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Originally Posted by mikeoneflying View Post
I wonder when the next balloon is due?
When is the next election?
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Old 3rd Feb 2023, 22:08
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NORAD and the Canadian DoD has confirmed that a 2nd Balloon is currently being tracked somewhere over Canada.
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Old 3rd Feb 2023, 22:18
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Why not shoot it down? Collateral damage would be almost zero chance. You donít destroy it. A couple of rounds from an aircraft. Wait to see if it starts descending. No well then a couple more rounds. Eventually it is going to start a slow descent to the ground.

This does sound all very strange.
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Old 3rd Feb 2023, 22:21
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Originally Posted by Imagegear View Post
No nation has yet claimed ownership, therefore it must be a hazard to high altitude navigation and should be removed.

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The Chinese have claimed ownership. Said it was a wether balloon gone astray. I had heard altitude was 60000.
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Old 3rd Feb 2023, 22:27
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Why not shoot it down? Collateral damage would be almost zero chance. You donít destroy it. A couple of rounds from an aircraft. Wait to see if it starts descending. No well then a couple more rounds. Eventually it is going to start a slow descent to the ground.

This does sound all very strange.
Siunds like good shooting, from hit rates quoted ........ missing barn doors etc.
How do we know gas is helium? H2 a darn sight cheaper and easier.
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Old 3rd Feb 2023, 22:29
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EMP Weapon Positioning

PRC possibly just practicing how to position a balloon over the central US using the global jetstream, should they ever elect to employ the EMP bomb to shut down much of the US
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Old 3rd Feb 2023, 22:30
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Why bother? Its presence is known and knocking it down gives an indication of high altitude defence capability.
sorry but those that want to know already know. So you not think every time there is a missile test there arenít numerous Chinese and Russian agents watching and recording? Of course there are. Are there Americans doing the same for Russian and Chinese tests. Yes of course. On the US at least there are areas where the public can park up and watch these tests. Video them all they like. Their range and altitude wonít be a secret. Maybe their precision and the tech behind that will be but the rest is easy to find out.
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