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Old 21st Jan 2023, 15:12
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Originally Posted by bugged on the right
Anyone who went to CX in the 90s remember the Wh*t**e hat ? Kept on top of a locker and worn when rostered with him. He would sign a check or training flight off only after establishing that the bamboo ring was in place. Hat returned to locker room for next guy. A steel dry cleaners coat hanger was good for putting a bash in.
Sadly only too well. What an a@@e he was.
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Old 21st Jan 2023, 15:24
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Many moons ago at happy hour R.A.F. Leeming, someone had the temerity to flush Jim [email protected]@@tís cape leather ĎSnowbirdsí jacket down the loo. One of the best mass bollockings to assembled wives, sweethearts, quite senior officers, and most of the CFS senior staff, that I have ever heard, then ensued. Whilst it was drying out, probably ruined of course, well, someone did it again. This time with his Canuck chip shop hat in the pocket. Whether anything further was done to it I couldnít say. However, cue much mirth, and yet another profane bollocking, to the extent that he was escorted out of the mess.
They never did catch the culprit(s), although the finger was firmly pointed at the RN contingent. Many years later I met up with him again, reminded him of the story and he stated that it had improved the hat !
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Old 21st Jan 2023, 16:47
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I find it somewhat bemusing, and indeed amusing, that light blue officers refer to "hats" rather than "caps" as they are known to the dark blue, but invariably to "cap badges" rather than "hat badges"....

Meanwhile, back on track, I believe that Prince William's headgear looks just fine, especially since it actually fits him properly rather than being perched on top of his head.

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Old 21st Jan 2023, 16:54
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
Fascinated to see two good conduct chevrons in wear as late as 1960s. Also only one rank chevron ....... this is man service?
I have never managed to find out when GCBs ceased to be awarded. My father wore one in 1945, and they go back in RAF time to 1919. T E Lawrence wore two a little later.
I may be wrong but I recall the single rank chevron with 4 blade prop was to denote a Junior Technician qualification c1962 to about 1968.
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Originally Posted by chevvron
I may be wrong but I recall the single rank chevron with 4 blade prop was to denote a Junior Technician qualification c1962 to about 1968.
I was a JT in 1972. Four blade prop was in use then.
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Old 21st Jan 2023, 17:17
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Back to your ďboatď with your caps Union Jack
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Old 21st Jan 2023, 17:26
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Originally Posted by chevvron
I may be wrong but I recall the single rank chevron with 4 blade prop was to denote a Junior Technician qualification c1962 to about 1968.
Is that not an apprentice wheel, making him a Leading Apprentice?
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Old 21st Jan 2023, 17:31
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Attended a direct entry, JT course, in 1970 and the four bladed prop was the chevron then. However the chevron pictured above is an apprentice badge.

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Old 21st Jan 2023, 17:38
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Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
Is that not an apprentice wheel, making him a Leading Apprentice?
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Not very clear in my image but the cap badge looks like it has a green disc backing it so as you say an LA.
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Old 21st Jan 2023, 19:19
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From scratching around in Google I think the heraldic chevrons, point up, lower sleeve may turn out to show which "entry"/ seniority year the entrant was in.
False alarm for Good Conduct badges ........ in the good old days the RAF had the same system as the RN, up to three badges, carrying extra pay, and taking a good few years to accumulate. Although the army had a similar system dating back to 1836 or so, and men could have incredible numbers of badges, the extra pay was phased out in the years before the Great War.
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Old 21st Jan 2023, 19:21
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Originally Posted by Union Jack
I find it somewhat bemusing, and indeed amusing, that light blue officers refer to "hats" rather than "caps" as they are known to the dark blue, but invariably to "cap badges" rather than "hat badges"....

Meanwhile, back on track, I believe that Prince William's headgear looks just fine, especially since it actually fits him properly rather than being perched on top of his head.

Jack
I wore a cap at schoolÖ.. but only in my early teens.
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Old 21st Jan 2023, 23:47
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
Fascinated to see two good conduct chevrons in wear as late as 1960s. Also only one rank chevron ....... this is man service?
I have never managed to find out when GCBs ceased to be awarded. My father wore one in 1945, and they go back in RAF time to 1919. T E Lawrence wore two a little later.
In the photograph the hat/cap band is chequered and the caption states "St Athan 1963". Boy Entrants wore chequered cap/hatbands and apprentices wore a single colour cap/hat band.The single stripe/chevron below the boy entrant/apprentice ďwheelĒ indicates that the individual is a leading boy. The two inverted chevrons indicate that he is in the second senior (support entry) entry at RAF St Athan during 1963. This would make him a member of either the 48th, 49th or 50th entries ( plus or minus 1, I think)..
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Old 22nd Jan 2023, 04:41
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Originally Posted by chevvron
I may be wrong but I recall the single rank chevron with 4 blade prop was to denote a Junior Technician qualification c1962 to about 1968.
He is a Leading Boy with 2 GC stripes. I was an apprentice at Locking 61 - 64. GC stripes for apprentices disappeared around late 61. I passed out in Dec. 64 and we were the first entry to have the 4 bladed JT badge as opposed to the previous single inverted chevron JT badge.
Apprentice chevrons could be a sight to behold, a Drum Major Sgt. Apprentice would have 3 chevrons on each arm to denote his rank, 3 inverted left arm Good conduct and 4 inverted right arm to denote the Drum Major.

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Old 22nd Jan 2023, 11:42
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Gentlemen, many thanks, most enlightening.

My only mystery is when man-service GCB chevrons ceased to be worn ......... definitely still on show in WW II.

May I make a pedantic point and then wind my neck in?
CHEVRON is point up [French, as in the pointy things holding up a roof] in heraldry and therefore in badges. However, given that official documents often revert to "stripes" there is no point [see what I did there?] in labouring the chevron theme.
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Old 22nd Jan 2023, 14:00
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Question from the uninformed.

Back in post #26, there appears to be 3 different styles of cap badge on display.

Can anyone explain why the differences?

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Old 22nd Jan 2023, 14:07
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Originally Posted by JSF-TC
Question from the uninformed.

Back in post #26, there appears to be 3 different styles of cap badge on display.

Can anyone explain why the differences?

Different manufacturers. Same as the wings design. Quite a few variations out there. Far down standard.
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Old 22nd Jan 2023, 14:55
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Originally Posted by JSF-TC
Question from the uninformed.

Back in post #26, there appears to be 3 different styles of cap badge on display.

Can anyone explain why the differences?
The 'Spare' one looks like it's straight out of the box and is likely to go straight back afterwards.
You'll have to have a word with Kate though, Willie's collar is very creased.
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Old 22nd Jan 2023, 15:14
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If you had Room 4 in that block, was your address Four Quinnell ?
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Old 22nd Jan 2023, 16:43
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AP 1358 requires that
A plain black Service issue tie is to be worn, secured with a Windsor knot.
is mandatory with RAF No1 dress. However, the Royal Family continue to ignore this - presumably due to their attitude towards the late Duke?
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Old 22nd Jan 2023, 17:01
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Further to post 26, that last picture shows one officer with three medals, the other with only two. Surely that more than compensates for the elder brother getting an extra sausage.
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