Royal Marines deployed on ‘high-risk covert operations’ in Ukraine
I don't think Russian paranoia needs much feeding - it seems to colour everything they do. We should not meekly accept a Russian veto on who can and cannot be in Ukraine. It's none of their business and there's nothing they can do about it. It's about time this fact was highlighted.
we can't just send them the kit with a note on the side saying " Instructions inside box. Please read the manual before use "..now can we.
Actually that is exactly what happened in 1982 when we received LGB (before all this LBGTIX+ stuff!) conversion kits for KFF on Hermes. Spent a happy hour or two with the instructions in one hand and a spanner in the other.
Mog
Actually that is exactly what happened in 1982 when we received LGB (before all this LBGTIX+ stuff!) conversion kits for KFF on Hermes. Spent a happy hour or two with the instructions in one hand and a spanner in the other.
Mog
A mate tells me that there are people around the towns close to a well-known UK training area speaking Ukrainian. Hard to keep the fact that we, along with other countries, are providing training, secret.
There's also the point that every man and his dog will have realised from the first announcement that we were sending them kit that it would be completely useless without a training package to go with it. Not sure this is really an operational security breach, really, at this stage when UK provided weapons have been very publicly seen in action in theatre (NLAW to give one prominent example).
There's also the point that every man and his dog will have realised from the first announcement that we were sending them kit that it would be completely useless without a training package to go with it. Not sure this is really an operational security breach, really, at this stage when UK provided weapons have been very publicly seen in action in theatre (NLAW to give one prominent example).
Some of your posts may make it seem as if you are not really up to speed with life today. There were multiple government announcements that the UK would be training (initially ) 10 000 Ukrainian soldiers in four locations throughout the UK. Since then there have been MoD PR videos showing the training: one was on the Ukraine thread one or two days ago. Nobody is trying to hide this, on the contrary the MoD is making hay with its opportunity to show its helpful side and contribute to positive propaganda. Anybody with any knowledge of British Army training could locate the training areas from their desk, without needing to go and listen for Ukrainian voices the the local pubs.
Very likely, I got disillusioned with reading newspapers a few years ago, when I realised so much of what they reported was just rubbish or untrue. I also don't spend a lot of time watching the TV news now, for much the same reason (plus some of it angers me to the point of wanting to throw things at the screen). As I've got older I find that the news in general is either very depressing, or skewed to present some reporters personal political view, so I tend to just turn off when that happens, rather than just sit and get annoyed by it. It's very probable that I am missing out on some key news, but how the hell does anyone filter the truth from the crap today, so they stay reliably informed about what is going on?
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we can't just send them the kit with a note on the side saying " Instructions inside box. Please read the manual before use "..now can we.
Actually that is exactly what happened in 1982 when we received LGB (before all this LBGTIX+ stuff!) conversion kits for KFF on Hermes. Spent a happy hour or two with the instructions in one hand and a spanner in the other.
Mog
Actually that is exactly what happened in 1982 when we received LGB (before all this LBGTIX+ stuff!) conversion kits for KFF on Hermes. Spent a happy hour or two with the instructions in one hand and a spanner in the other.
Mog
We got some of the first L39's into the country and I had to go through translating all the cockpit markings, the Manuals were originally Czechoslovakian that had been translated to Russian then had been translated into some African States Language before being translated back into English.... There were some rather interesting interpretations in it, and it took some trying to work out what was what.
I don't think Russian paranoia needs much feeding - it seems to colour everything they do. We should not meekly accept a Russian veto on who can and cannot be in Ukraine. It's none of their business and there's nothing they can do about it. It's about time this fact was highlighted.
What are they going to do, reinvade Ukraine? Their threats to escalate have proven to be hollow (Uncle Xi having effectively vetoed any such move), so why should we continue to be so timid?
Sheesh, they should welcome the fact we our troops are there - its the gold-plated excuse for their p*ss-poor performance on the battlefield they've been looking for.
Eh?? Have you been on a long-stay holistic retreat to discover your inner self? This was literally plastered over the front pages of our newspapers here a few months back. Please please do try to keep up.
Very likely, I got disillusioned with reading newspapers a few years ago, when I realised so much of what they reported was just rubbish or untrue. I also don't spend a lot of time watching the TV news now, for much the same reason (plus some of it angers me to the point of wanting to throw things at the screen). As I've got older I find that the news in general is either very depressing, or skewed to present some reporters personal political view, so I tend to just turn off when that happens, rather than just sit and get annoyed by it. It's very probable that I am missing out on some key news, but how the hell does anyone filter the truth from the crap today, so they stay reliably informed about what is going on?
Don't use any of them, they all seem to mostly spout forth garbage, too, don't they? My wife was on Facebook for a time, seemed to me to be a cesspit that brought out the very worst in some people. Telegram is Russian, I believe, so am I really going to believe anything on there as being accurate? As for Twitter, it just seems to be mostly annoying stuff, that takes a lot of filtering to try and find information that just might, possibly, have a grain of truth behind it.
The whole media world seems to be a murky mess of misinformation or attempts to scam others in the main, with the possible exception of one or two media outlets that still seem to have retained a modicum of integrity.
The whole media world seems to be a murky mess of misinformation or attempts to scam others in the main, with the possible exception of one or two media outlets that still seem to have retained a modicum of integrity.
Don't use any of them, they all seem to mostly spout forth garbage, too, don't they? My wife was on Facebook for a time, seemed to me to be a cesspit that brought out the very worst in some people. Telegram is Russian, I believe, so am I really going to believe anything on there as being accurate? As for Twitter, it just seems to be mostly annoying stuff, that takes a lot of filtering to try and find information that just might, possibly, have a grain of truth behind it.
The whole media world seems to be a murky mess of misinformation or attempts to scam others in the main, with the possible exception of one or two media outlets that still seem to have retained a modicum of integrity.
The whole media world seems to be a murky mess of misinformation or attempts to scam others in the main, with the possible exception of one or two media outlets that still seem to have retained a modicum of integrity.
- Don't absolutely "believe" anything - keep it in your mind that everything is a "probability" and that you are very likely to be wrong about e.g. half of what you think you know. So new information has a chance to influence that probability.
- Understand the kinds of biases of the news sources we have so that you can say ok, this source is usually a bit left wing and that source is sensationalist and so on.
- Sorry forgot this important one: if it's something you *want* to believe then be extra suspicious.
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If some of you were fish....you would have been hooked, cleaned, and fried for dinner by this story.
You don't know what the Marines were actually doing....and it might just have been as simple as a PSD (Protective Services Detail) for a Diplomat or small group of Diplomats.
It could also be a cover story to disguise what they were really doing.
It does not matter what the General had to say....as it does not affect what was done or is being done as it is just a "story" and a very vague one at that.
Is there anyone that thinks NATO Troops, vehicles, aircraft, and Intelligence Service Agent do not cross the Border into Ukraine....ever?
Even after this War ends...we shall not know to what extent our forces operated to support the Ukraine Military and the Government of Ukraine.
Some secrets shall be very well concealed and those that are not are not crucial anyway.
Some of you arm chair Generals and OpsSec experts are a laugh at times.
You don't know what the Marines were actually doing....and it might just have been as simple as a PSD (Protective Services Detail) for a Diplomat or small group of Diplomats.
It could also be a cover story to disguise what they were really doing.
It does not matter what the General had to say....as it does not affect what was done or is being done as it is just a "story" and a very vague one at that.
Is there anyone that thinks NATO Troops, vehicles, aircraft, and Intelligence Service Agent do not cross the Border into Ukraine....ever?
Even after this War ends...we shall not know to what extent our forces operated to support the Ukraine Military and the Government of Ukraine.
Some secrets shall be very well concealed and those that are not are not crucial anyway.
Some of you arm chair Generals and OpsSec experts are a laugh at times.
A mate tells me that there are people around the towns close to a well-known UK training area speaking Ukrainian. Hard to keep the fact that we, along with other countries, are providing training, secret.
There's also the point that every man and his dog will have realised from the first announcement that we were sending them kit that it would be completely useless without a training package to go with it. Not sure this is really an operational security breach, really, at this stage when UK provided weapons have been very publicly seen in action in theatre (NLAW to give one prominent example).
There's also the point that every man and his dog will have realised from the first announcement that we were sending them kit that it would be completely useless without a training package to go with it. Not sure this is really an operational security breach, really, at this stage when UK provided weapons have been very publicly seen in action in theatre (NLAW to give one prominent example).
As to the article it mentions troops used for diplomatic security. Of course they were there. Just like every other country had a military presence for their diplomats.
It is pretty sure most western countries also have special forces in Ukraine, but I doubt in any combat roles. More training, planning… for what good they could be in the bigger picture, it most likely wouldn’t be worth the risk putting them in combat operations, and having them appear at a show trial In Moscow.
If some of you were fish....you would have been hooked, cleaned, and fried for dinner by this story.
You don't know what the Marines were actually doing....and it might just have been as simple as a PSD (Protective Services Detail) for a Diplomat or small group of Diplomats.
It could also be a cover story to disguise what they were really doing.
It does not matter what the General had to say....as it does not affect what was done or is being done as it is just a "story" and a very vague one at that.
Is there anyone that thinks NATO Troops, vehicles, aircraft, and Intelligence Service Agent do not cross the Border into Ukraine....ever?
Even after this War ends...we shall not know to what extent our forces operated to support the Ukraine Military and the Government of Ukraine.
Some secrets shall be very well concealed and those that are not are not crucial anyway.
Some of you arm chair Generals and OpsSec experts are a laugh at times.
You don't know what the Marines were actually doing....and it might just have been as simple as a PSD (Protective Services Detail) for a Diplomat or small group of Diplomats.
It could also be a cover story to disguise what they were really doing.
It does not matter what the General had to say....as it does not affect what was done or is being done as it is just a "story" and a very vague one at that.
Is there anyone that thinks NATO Troops, vehicles, aircraft, and Intelligence Service Agent do not cross the Border into Ukraine....ever?
Even after this War ends...we shall not know to what extent our forces operated to support the Ukraine Military and the Government of Ukraine.
Some secrets shall be very well concealed and those that are not are not crucial anyway.
Some of you arm chair Generals and OpsSec experts are a laugh at times.
In The Times this afternoon.
Royal Marines deployed on ‘high-risk covert operations’ in Ukraine
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Presumably the good Lieutenant General was briefed from on high to make such a pronouncement...
Royal Marines deployed on ‘high-risk covert operations’ in Ukraine
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Presumably the good Lieutenant General was briefed from on high to make such a pronouncement...
Exacatly - either they were just protecting a few diplomats - in which case he was shooting his mouth of or they were doing dark deeds in which case he should keep his mouth firmly shut
