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Question. BBC Rogue SAS Heroes series

Old 6th Nov 2022, 14:31
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I know there was an Army officer attached to RAF who commanded a Typhoon Sqn (as Sqn Ldr),fairly sure he had a DFC but I cannot find the place where I saw it some months ago,maybe same chap ??.

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Sloppy Link & Longer Ron
In 1977, when I was Accompanying RAF Staff Officer at a CCF Annual Inspection at a well known Public School, I was with an Army Major General. He had an RAF Pilots Flying
Badge. Also an impressive array of WW2 and Korean War medals with DFC. I can not remember if he had MC as well. Possibly the same chap.

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There was a George Clooney film set in Irag after Desert Storm with a similar story line. Titled Three Kings (?).
Here'e my starter for ten - Major General Arthur Stewart-Cox DFC:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Stewart-Cox

https://www.woolleyandwallis.co.uk/d...1/view-lot/41/

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Old 6th Nov 2022, 14:58
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Hated the first episode but stuck with it and it did get better despite the soundtrack. Did some Wiki on Paddy Mayne, the Irish 2ic - played six times for Ireland and three times for the Lions against South Africa on the last tour before WW2 !
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Originally Posted by Union Jack View Post
Here'e my starter for ten - Major General Arthur Stewart-Cox DFC:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Stewart-Cox

https://www.woolleyandwallis.co.uk/d...1/view-lot/41/

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Hi Jack
Not the pilot I mentioned, A S-G had an Army flying badge (not RAF) and was not commissioned until 1944.
The officer I mentioned held a commission in both the Army and the RAF and definitely had RAF 'Wings'

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Old 6th Nov 2022, 15:19
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Ralph Bagnold designed the Bagnold Sun Compass for Desert Navigation,the Bagnold sun compass was used by LRDG for Desert Nav.
In the early days of the SAS - the LRDG were used to transport/navigate the SAS on their sorties.
At least on of the LRDG vehicles in the series is seen with a Bagnold Sun Compass.

I think that's a bit jarring for me - they go to some length with things like adding in the sun compass, which, tbh, few of us would know about, but then seems like they've only ever seen a Merlin engined Me-109 - 4-bladed props on 109s is especially jarring. There were some Me-108 mockups in the airfield attacks too.

I quite like the soundtrack. Mixing AC/DC in with 1940s club music is interesting. I binge watched all of them last night, so I feel as if it's only really one program.

I wondered if the french love interest was real.

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Old 6th Nov 2022, 15:34
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If you are digging through your music library trying to find something you heard, this will help.

SAS Rogue Heroes soundtrack | Every song featured in the drama | Radio Times
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At least on of the LRDG vehicles in the series is seen with a Bagnold Sun Compass.

I think that's a bit jarring for me - they go to some length with things like adding in the sun compass, which, tbh, few of us would know about, but then seems like they've only ever seen a Merlin engined Me-109 - 4-bladed props on 109s is especially jarring. There were some Me-108 mockups in the airfield attacks too.

I quite like the soundtrack. Mixing AC/DC in with 1940s club music is interesting. I binge watched all of them last night, so I feel as if it's only really one program.
I would have been happier with the soundtrack if the music volume had not been riccydoodlously loud compared to the dialogue volume,I quite like AC/DC - indeed I saw them live a couple of times,first time in the Cambridge Corn Exchange (1977 ?) with Bon Scott ,a good soundtrack can enhance a film but to have it so loud I think is quite amateur,I know it is the fashion but generally speaking 'less is more' - same goes for the non stop 'effing',it just got a bit tedious.
I think we will invest in a later Amazon Firestick where we can enhance the dialogue level
We enjoyed the series - very entertaining but the occasional over loud music just spoils an otherwise great series.
I think they might have toned down the music a little for the last 3 episodes ?
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I am really enjoying the series, along with Angus Young spanking his plank to give things urgency .....as if it needed more !
We drove over to Doune this afternoon to visit D Stirling's SAS memorial. In full sunshine his statue was very impressive and surrounded by resin plaques of his men, two with VC.
Just birdsong for company today and a view over his family estate.
A privilege to have had an ex SAS boss. Intelligence and leadership.
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For those interested in the LRDG the book "Killing Rommel" by Steven Pressfield is worth checking out. It's a dreadful title IMO and most definitely a work of fiction but it seems to have been well researched and I *think* describes what they did and how they did it pretty well.
McIntyre's books are generally excellent: "Operation Mincemeat" is a treat.
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Originally Posted by longer ron View Post
I would have been happier with the soundtrack if the music volume had not been riccydoodlously loud compared to the dialogue volume,I quite like AC/DC - indeed I saw them live a couple of times,first time in the Cambridge Corn Exchange (1977 ?) with Bon Scott ,a good soundtrack can enhance a film but to have it so loud I think is quite amateur,I know it is the fashion but generally speaking 'less is more' - same goes for the non stop 'effing',it just got a bit tedious.
I think we will invest in a later Amazon Firestick where we can enhance the dialogue level
We enjoyed the series - very entertaining but the occasional over loud music just spoils an otherwise great series.
I think they might have toned down the music a little for the last 3 episodes ?

I'm sort of used to the overly loud music - quite common these days, especially in Cinema. I thought the swearing might get a mention - and the insubordination. I don't know if it was accurate for the time, but I suppose it adds to the feeling of general chaos in North Africa during that period.
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Murray (Andy) Anderson was an army officer seconded to the RAF. Incredible war time career as a pilot: photo reconnaissance on the Spitfire, subsequently landing by moonlight in occupied France in the Lysander ( see book of same name). Finished on ground attack flying P51 mustangs. Double DFC. Brother a very famous film director called Lindsay Anderson, notably in the 60/70s. Andy made it into his 90s and had his obituary in the Times and Telegraph still available on record. He flew the DC3 in India for years and completed his career on the HS748 with Dan Air where second officer olster had the great pleasure of flying with him on many occasions. Wonderful man, great sense of humour and revered by the crews. Plus… I still really enjoyed the SAS series.
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The question is in one scene the British Intelligence officer who is Army is seen wearing RAF wings, did the Army pilots during the war wear the same wings?
The intelligence officer is Lt Col Dudley Clarke.

Born in Johannesburg and brought up near London, Clarke joined the Royal Artillery as an officer in 1916 but transferred to the Royal Flying Corps after finding he was too young to fight in France.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudley_Clarke
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I'm enjoying it so far, read McIntyre's book a few years back (To add to the previous titles I've read on the subject). I thought it was a pretty good drama that highlighted the main points, whilst taking a few dramatic liberties.
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I noticed the HAS in the back ground in the shoot up attack
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I noticed the HAS in the back ground in the shoot up attack
So you would have as it was filmed on the HAS site of the ex RAF Bentwaters, now Bentwaters Park. If you had turned the camera around 180 degrees there would have been a Jaguar T4 looking at you! I saw them setting up the scene when I was up there last year.
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What really surprised me was that a number of the "109s" were clearly Buchons, and as these were models/props why on earth do that? Especially as plenty of the aircraft depicted were Me109s.
Bizarre!
Because they used real ones for some of the scenes, see above!
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A look behind the scenes of the filming in Morroco

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0d...ies_SEG_PNC%5D
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The intelligence officer is Lt Col Dudley Clarke.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudley_Clarke
The wings on Dominic West's uniform were RFC I believe watching the episode again. So hard to get accurate equipment now.
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The wings on Dominic West's uniform were RFC I believe watching the episode again. So hard to get accurate equipment now.
Yes,see post 13.

The character in question is the real life Brigadier - then colonel - Dudley Clarke who joined the army during WWI and then transferred to the RFC, had flight training and then moved back to the Royal Artillery. It's RFC wings he's wearing. I was curious myself for the same reason and looked him up in Wikipedia!
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Not quite the shortest series watch so far, but, at 7m.52 secs, must be close to it. The constant, and unnecessary inclusion of expletives, deviation from reality and the mind-numbing noise accompaniment worked their inevitable 'magic' - Truly awful, and, no doubt designed for today's discerning audiences !-
However, I read and enjoyed Stirling's biography and would recommend it.
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Peaky blinder at some dodgy Afrika Korps fuel dump. Last Saturday. It is not a fooking documentary. Bar most of it has a grain of truth about it. Got a load of George Formby songs in it FFS.
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