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New Defence Review, higher or lower?

Old 28th Sep 2022, 19:10
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Originally Posted by Not_a_boffin View Post
If its the sort of conventional threat that we've considered for some decades, you still don't use a patrol boat.

If it's the sort of threat that appears to have been used in the Baltic - and indeed is often referenced wrt subsea cables, you don't stop that with a patrol boat either.
Why not? PBs can carry weaponry.
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Old 28th Sep 2022, 23:43
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
Why not? PBs can carry weaponry.
Rowing boats can carry weaponry.

There's a slightly more important thing called detection, identification and targeting......
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I see the Govt are already looking for "efficiency savings" in all departments
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Originally Posted by Not_a_boffin View Post
Rowing boats can carry weaponry.

There's a slightly more important thing called detection, identification and targeting......
Same thing applies. Rather depends of what you regard as a PB.
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
Same thing applies. Rather depends of what you regard as a PB.
Once you've clagged on enough kit to do both things credibly against what the likely threats are, it gets a bit big to be a patrol boat.....
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The way things are going they'll be selling the QE to the Aussies for hard cash soon
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The way things are going they'll be selling the QE to the Aussies for hard cash soon
LOL no but RAN might be in the market for a few astutes
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Interesting that benefits will rise in line with earnings (or so they plan) not inflation - probably the same for the armed services budgets I'd guess
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A quick glance over the top of the parapet again - well you prophets of doom have you noticed the £/USD rate this morning? I am no expert but I said to my wife a week ago 'I bet the £ will be back in a week's time'.
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Finningley Boy,

With the gigantic mess that Truss and her Chancellor are making of the UK economy, you will be lucky if the size of the reduction in defence
spending that this incompetent shower will announce along with all other public sector and Whitehall cuts on Nov 23rd is less than 5%.
Remember, all that Truss has promised on Defence spending is that by 2030 it will be 3% of GDP.
Truss will be gone WAY before 2030!
Letters of no confidence are already being submitted to the 1922 Committee.
The way things are going we'll reach the 3% of GDP target without having to do any of that tiresome recruitment or procurement stuff.
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
The way things are going they'll be selling the QE to the Aussies for hard cash soon
But what will we use as a floating conference venue without her??
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The Royal yacht of course which seems to have disappeared from view.
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Old 30th Sep 2022, 16:56
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The Royal yacht of course which seems to have disappeared from view.
Did you not get the memo? It's the National Flagship now, and sadly it hasn't gone away....

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans...ional+flagship
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Originally Posted by Not_a_boffin View Post
Rowing boats can carry weaponry.

There's a slightly more important thing called detection, identification and targeting......
Not sure how useful you think the F-35 is in protecting oil and gas facilities, but it hasn't stopped the Norwegians sending a couple....

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Originally Posted by melmothtw View Post
Not sure how useful you think the F-35 is in protecting oil and gas facilities, but it hasn't stopped the Norwegians sending a couple....

https://twitter.com/Forsvarsdep/stat...69276262584322
So a 5gen fighter is a patrol boat?

Not sure what point you're trying to make?
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Originally Posted by Not_a_boffin View Post
So a 5gen fighter is a patrol boat?

Not sure what point you're trying to make?
The point I'm making is that you need the gamut of capabilities to conduct a viable national defence, and just because a certain item of equipment may not have been designed for a specific purpose (OPVs and F-35s to protect oil and gas facilities, for example) that doesn't mean they don't have a place. Not rocket science.
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Originally Posted by melmothtw View Post
The point I'm making is that you need the gamut of capabilities to conduct a viable national defence, and just because a certain item of equipment may not have been designed for a specific purpose (OPVs and F-35s to protect oil and gas facilities, for example) that doesn't mean they don't have a place. Not rocket science.
And we have both of them. Plus a wide array of other assets that are equally if not more useful against the sort of threats that do bad things to seabed installations.
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The problem won't be what sort of assets we have - it'll be the sum total given the way they are talking about cut-backs. The best we can hope for is that they hold the current line on expenditure and the "increase" is kicked down the road until "2030 -ish"

Astounding really.................... especially with a full scale war going on at the other end of Europe
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Red face

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We are constantly being told that we need more diversity in the higher echelons of power. Well we have managed that in fine style by pushing all those dastardly white males out of the corridors of power. Yet now we seem to be suggesting that this ethnically and gender diverse cabinet has made a bit of a cock up with the nations finances. I was led to believe that greater diversity brings with it greater achievements. Am I allowed to criticise them or am I then a racist/misogynist/bigot?

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Bv you will be, without doubt, be considered all of those things.

You might as well add the following descriptors to that list

“….An aged WASPish dinosaurian oxygen thief” 😉

OL don't M

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OMS

I thought as much. I had to google to see what a WASP was though. Guilty as charged. I’m a veteran now as well so definitely a dinosaur too.

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