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Old 13th Sep 2022, 10:28
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Originally Posted by Fitter2
If the appropriate Ministers won't ask the right questions for us (and there is no outcome apparent that suggests they have) then we have to rely on the BBC.

The scandals regarding Flight Safety and Procurement give the appearance that VSOs lie to their masters like Soviet apparatchiks to the Politburo, and ministers believe what they are told (e.g. Malcolm Rifkind's ineffective and far too late apology)

(Rant over, blood pressure recovering) .
Fitter2,

Many other media organisations are available, and not constrained by Government induced cuts in resources and staff.
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 11:45
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Well, he would say that, wouldn’t he?

https://news.sky.com/story/no-drop-i...-says-12696212'No drop in standards' amid diversity row, head of RAF says[img]blob:https://www.pprune.org/de9cf4ae-f1a9-4d6f-9fae-df35e7a4ced1[/img]
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 11:59
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Not for the squeamish…

I have just watched the full interview on Sky news….

oh dear, oh dear, oh dear…🥺

“I have been very clear………”

No Sir! You have not.

https://news.sky.com/video/share-12696289

Perhaps an indication of the naivety of the current ‘leadership’? Unaware that the meejah does what it does… its very good at setting an ambush.

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Old 13th Sep 2022, 14:46
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Kay Burley ....dreadful, inappropriate - she should be ashamed of herself. Sky have lost the plot.

CAS....dreadful, unprepared, awful dismal performance.

Does nobody game this stuff and do any contingency planning? What he needs is a tip top PR that knows media Ops backwards.....ooops, didn't she just quit running recruitment and selection.

You can only get ambushed by media if you have not planned and prepared properly. Of course it helps if you have not set yourself up by your actions in the first place.

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Old 13th Sep 2022, 15:09
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Originally Posted by Wyntor
Of course it helps if you have not set yourself up by your actions in the first place.
Quite right.

Those 'actions' by MoD include threatening a young female journalist outside a court house and demanding that she hand over her notes. Notes that proved MoD and the prosecution had lied in court, and that the wrong party was is in the dock. (Sean Cunningham case, 2018).

I would be very surprised if Ms Burley is not aware of this, and similar examples. My impression is that MoD is not highly thought of in the media, who are fed up of the continual bare-faced lies.
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 15:36
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Originally Posted by Wyntor
Kay Burley ....dreadful, inappropriate - she should be ashamed of herself. Sky have lost the plot.

CAS....dreadful, unprepared, awful dismal performance.

Does nobody game this stuff and do any contingency planning? What he needs is a tip top PR that knows media Ops backwards.....ooops, didn't she just quit running recruitment and selection.

You can only get ambushed by media if you have not planned and prepared properly. Of course it helps if you have not set yourself up by your actions in the first place.
What?! Kay Burley was doing her job on a 24 hour rolling live news programme. It was not a documentary on the Royals! He should have expected to be asked the questions that he was asked as he was appearing on a live news programme!

I didn’t think that anything that Kay Burley said was in any way shape ir form inappropriate, and she certainly has nothing to be ashamed off, nor has Sky News in anyway lost the plot.
CAS was the only dreadful part of that interview, and I agree with what you wrote about him.
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 16:43
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What?! Kay Burley was doing her job on a 24 hour rolling live news programme. It was not a documentary on the Royals! He should have expected to be asked the questions that he was asked as he was appearing on a live news programme!

I didn’t think that anything that Kay Burley said was in any way shape ir form inappropriate, and she certainly has nothing to be ashamed off, nor has Sky News in anyway lost the plot.
CAS was the only dreadful part of that interview, and I agree with what you wrote about him.
Ms Burley was the one who WAS clear!

Perhaps it was a tad inappropriate ‘in the moment’, but, if everything is being ‘woke-washed’ elsewhere and serious questions from her Defence Correspondent colleague (Deborah Haynes - who is cvcurrently in Ukraine, I believe) are being ignored, then she rightly sized that moment (IMHO)

I have little time for the Meejah as I think most of them have attended the Goebellian Institute of Manipulative Journalism, but in this case, things needed to be dug into. Her questions were straightforward and without nuance.

Another very poor response by CAS.
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 16:49
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I think most of them have attended the Goebellian Institute of Manipulative Journalism,
Goebbels would no doubt approve of your attacks on a free and independent media. Well done.
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 16:55
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Watching ITV, I see the much maligned CAS has been reduced to the rank of Air Vice Marshal. The power of the media!
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 17:15
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I've just watched the Kay Burley interview of CAS. Is that really the best the RAF can do to fill the post? Wiggy the Woke came across as completely out of his depth - inept, underconfident and inarticulate. In fact he looked like something caught in my headlights in the road at night. I feel truly sorry for those who have serve under leaders(?) like him!
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 17:34
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"What he needs is a tip top PR that knows media Ops backwards"..

Yes indeed, another ************** spin doctor. Happy days when senior officers and officials gave brief, stilted, formal but honest intervals, well most of the time. Then of course came the Bliar creature ...
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 17:41
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I thought there was a lot of Blair in that response. The vertical hand gestures and the completely different answer to the question about those responsible for the new recruitment policy. A politician, not a leader you would follow into battle.
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 17:45
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Perhaps he’s using the same PR team that advised Prince Andrew?
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 18:20
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Originally Posted by dervish
Watching ITV, I see the much maligned CAS has been reduced to the rank of Air Vice Marshal. The power of the media!
For balance, BBC’s burbling Huw Edwards declared the C-17 “iconic” as it left EDI for EGWU.
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 18:32
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Originally Posted by MPN11
For balance, BBC’s burbling Huw Edwards declared the C-17 “iconic” as it left EDI for EGWU.
I guess for the general public who spent nearly 20 years watching them brining fallen servicemen home, they are iconic.
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 18:42
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Originally Posted by 1.3VStall
I've just watched the Kay Burley interview of CAS. Is that really the best the RAF can do to fill the post? Wiggy the Woke came across as completely out of his depth - inept, underconfident and inarticulate. In fact he looked like something caught in my headlights in the road at night. I feel truly sorry for those who have serve under leaders(?) like him!
After the Michael Fish Hurricane forecast disaster the Met. Office paid big bucks for media training for the couple of dozen officers likely to be doorstepped or interviewed, I was one such. The course was intensive and brilliant. I believe the pass rate was about 50%, licensed, as it were, to mouth off as occasion demanded. One thing beaten into us: get your staff to predict the hard questions, and practice. And practice.

Are our leaders too busy or important to prepare?
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 18:44
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Splendid job done by the RAF at Northolt today.
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 19:30
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Ouch, Kay Burley was like a dog with a bone!
Not the right time for her to go there at all, but he handled that appallingly which is very embarrassing for the Service as a whole.
A switched on leader would have an answer on hand to close that line of questioning straight away, given the circumstances.
I ask myself, what is he good at?

Given the outstanding job done today by 99 Squadron and Queen’s Colour Squadron, they represent the RAF, not him.
I think special mention should go to the QCS Bearer Party, an exceptional job gentlemen under the kind of pressure than none of us will ever understand.
I can’t begin to imagine what it is like to bear the body of the greatest Sovereign this country has ever known and my goodness those lads looked young!
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 19:54
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Originally Posted by bugged on the right
A politician, not a leader you would follow into battle.
You don't get to 4 star in most militaries by being a "leader" you get there by "managing up" (aka ass kissing and self promotion). I would suggest that this individual is no better or worse than his Commonwealth Military's contemporaries. Sadly he reminds me a lot of the current Canadian Armed Forces CDS
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 20:04
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
Splendid job done by the RAF at Northolt today.
Excellent stuff.
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