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Can Wigston survive the onslaught?

Old 22nd Aug 2022, 11:32
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My understanding is the the New DCom Ops has been brought forward by 6 months, I suspect that the new CAS will be announced before Nov 22, this was the original date for DCom Ops to be in place and CAS to replaced by Apr 24.
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 12:29
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Originally Posted by RotorsTurningRefuel View Post
and CAS to replaced by Apr 24.
By Apr 24? A typo?? Lots of damage to be done between now and Apr 24!!
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 13:18
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Originally Posted by Roland Pulfrew View Post
By Apr 24? A typo?? Lots of damage to be done between now and Apr 24!!

That was the original plan as I understood it
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The end of the day, whether PM or CAS, the buck stops at the top of the food chain, everything on their watch is their reponsibility, and he is that man.
Nobody told Boris that until the knifes came out.
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Is there any real suggestion that standards are being relaxed.

Or is it, like so many other areas in society, qualified people who are not white and male are losing out to a system that recruits in its own image?
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Found negligent by Coroner; only escaping gross negligence, and hence corporate manslaughter charge, by dint of lying by omission and the law not permitting her to reopen when she found out.

(I wonder why the media didn't report that one?)

Didnít fit into the meejahs own agendas. They have no interest in such trivia, Tuc, no diversity/inclusivity content.
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Wilson was like Marmite. He worked wonders when AOC in C RAFG. From my viewpoint, hard as nails, efficient, fair.
Other colours are available..
And he had the decency to go when time was up.

Much more recently a VSO went because he offered his arse as a garden bike rack. A very small sin compared with the present disaster.

Re: Sir Sandy

totally agree your sentiments here. Great boss to ‘us erks’ in RAFG. Hard on his pilots but got results. Fair and always supportive to his troops.marmite indeed.

IMHO He Got stitched up by Rifkin, at the time, following a meejah shitstorm over the ‘grace and favour’ redecorations. So perhaps Wallace will cave in to them and sort out the current clusterfcuk?

one can only hope..

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Frankly I think this is the tip of the iceberg. I donít think this is just about recruiting, but that it extends quite a way up to promotion and command boards at senior levels if rumours are to be believed. If thatís the case, I donít see how any of the Air Force Board can come out of this looking good.
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It does read like promotion is based upon wokeism and diversity and not military capability for senior staff, say the right things and you progress.
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He shouldnít be allowed to fade away. He should be dismissed publicly for his incompetence in command.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
It does read like promotion is based upon wokeism and diversity and not military capability for senior staff, say the right things and you progress.
PM decides on all air rank promotions. As Skywalker said to us as he shut the Jags down early.
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Originally Posted by Melchett01 View Post
Frankly I think this is the tip of the iceberg. I donít think this is just about recruiting, but that it extends quite a way up to promotion and command boards at senior levels if rumours are to be believed. If thatís the case, I donít see how any of the Air Force Board can come out of this looking good.
Glad to see that somebody paid attention in General Service Knowledge!!! It isn't just Wigston that is driving this!!
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PM decides on all air rank promotions. As Skywalker said to us as he shut the Jags down early.
So hiring yes men instead of best menÖÖ. And women.
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Speedywheels,

To put your mind at ease a little, there has been no suggestion from the Airships that technical training lower its standards for minority groups. The standard is still the standard for all. (There has been considerable discussion over the past few years about what that standard should be, but thatís a different issueÖ)
The problem is when you have quotaís what do you think happens when to make this years quota and it is nearing year end, the next X number of the right demographic HAVE to pass.

I have personally witnessed this scenario, The sad part is it doesnít just diminish the institution, it diminishes minority members who got where they are because they worked hard, had their Shyte together, and were respected and valued ship mates.
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Re: Sir Sandy

totally agree your sentiments here. Great boss to ‘us erks’ in RAFG. Hard on his pilots but got results. Fair and always supportive to his troops.marmite indeed.

IMHO He Got stitched up by Rifkin, at the time, following a meejah shitstorm over the ‘grace and favour’ redecorations. So perhaps Wallace will cave in to them and sort out the current clusterfcuk?

one can only hope..
I would agree that Sir Sandy Wilson was stitched up but not that it was by SoS Malcolm Rifkind, who was also misled by the RAF High Command over the Mull of Kintyre pilots. You have to ask yourself who benefitted from him not getting the top job? Hardly Sir Malcolm!

As to the media, where would they get detailed information about the costs of curtains, approved or otherwise, if they weren't so briefed? Who would have briefed them? Sir Malcolm?
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I would agree that Sir Sandy Wilson was stitched up but not that it was by SoS Malcolm Rifkind, who was also misled by the RAF High Command over the Mull of Kintyre pilots. You have to ask yourself who benefitted from him not getting the top job? Hardly Sir Malcolm!

As to the media, where would they get detailed information about the costs of curtains, approved or otherwise, if they weren't so briefed? Who would have briefed them? Sir Malcolm?
good point, chug.
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Originally Posted by Chugalug2 View Post
I would agree that Sir Sandy Wilson was stitched up but not that it was by SoS Malcolm Rifkind, who was also misled by the RAF High Command over the Mull of Kintyre pilots. You have to ask yourself who benefitted from him not getting the top job? Hardly Sir Malcolm!

As to the media, where would they get detailed information about the costs of curtains, approved or otherwise, if they weren't so briefed? Who would have briefed them? Sir Malcolm?
Embroidered rather than stitched up? A friend told me he kept duplicate files at home on all the embellishments at Rheindahlen because he was concerned the office set might vanish. Best not to enquire about Pantechnicons allegedly transporting the contents of the Berlin residence back to an unknown private destination in the UK.

At the time of carpetgate and the £250K refurbishment, Sir Malcolm was in a different command and would have had no visibility. Whatever you think of his subsequent sins, I donít believe he was in any way connected.

There is a fine line between feathering oneís nest and corruption.
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Embroidered rather than stitched up? A friend told me he kept duplicate files at home on all the embellishments at Rheindahlen because he was concerned the office set might vanish. Best not to enquire about Pantechnicons allegedly transporting the contents of the Berlin residence back to an unknown private destination in the UK.

At the time of carpetgate and the £250K refurbishment, Sir Malcolm was in a different command and would have had no visibility. Whatever you think of his subsequent sins, I donít believe he was in any way connected.

There is a fine line between feathering oneís nest and corruption.

While Wilson left the RAF a short while after Rifkind left Defence, the latter was Secretary of State when the decision was made six months earlier. (Feb 1995). Notably, a couple of months later, in April 1995, Rifkind was lied to by senior officers over the Mull of Kintyre affair; and to his great credit later breached convention by speaking up about it alongside John Major. I wonder if the same CAS briefed him about Wilson?
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The problem is when you have quota’s what do you think happens when to make this years quota and it is nearing year end, the next X number of the right demographic HAVE to pass.

I have personally witnessed this scenario, The sad part is it doesn’t just diminish the institution, it diminishes minority members who got where they are because they worked hard, had their Shyte together, and were respected and valued ship mates.
It never happened in the time I ran training squadrons and would not have. Either the trainees achieve the standard or they are chopped. Ethnicity and gender were not even considered by the review board. There was one occasion when we had an unusually high failure rate and there was an enquiry to find out why, but nobody suggested pushing them through.
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I've read through this thread and just have to say that I am glad I left the RAF when I did, now almost 30 years ago. However, this one brought back memories:
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Because they are always one step ahead of the 5hit storm. Do enough to get the required ticks in the box for promotion and move on. Could say the same for a large number of people across many ranks!
There were far too many people who had this attitude - do the minimum to look good so long as it isn't apparent until you have moved on. They were simply selfish and just did not have the "best interests of the service" in their mind at all, whether in the case of cost, airworthiness, flight safety, operational effectiveness or even just improved morale. They were the people who would only consider themselves, not the RAF as a whole, and they would not do something "because the book doesn't say I can do it" whereas, on the contrary, others had the view that "the book doesn't say I can't do it" and were willing to make a rational decision based on their knowledge and experience.

The trouble is that such people did have a better career, they did reach higher ranks and now they do have a massive pension. I find it sad that the situation has apparently not improved and could perceivably be worse!
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