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Reported Pause in RAF White Recruiting To Meet Diversity Targets

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Old 31st Aug 2022, 20:32
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There was a report into the police in the last few days (Policy Exchange I think) that said that forces had lost their focus on combatting crime and:

”According to Spencer, UK police forces are too distracted by being politically correct and are neglecting their duty in combatting serious threats to the public such as public disorder, knife crime, sexual assault and online harassment.
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There may be similar lessons for the RAF to learn. Crucially the report states that the Home Secretary should be able to sack Chief Constables who preside over failing forces.

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Old 31st Aug 2022, 22:26
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Distinctly non-PC, but SO good:


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Old 31st Aug 2022, 22:29
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Is that a self-portrait Beagle?
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Is that a self-portrait Beagle?
Nope - probably about 3-5 years before I joined.
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The original version of that Ladybird book was published in 1967 and can be viewed at https://archive.org/details/the-airman/mode/2up .

Someone should send Wiggy the Woke a copy!
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Old 1st Sep 2022, 08:41
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Only 2 pictures of helicopters - and SaRbuoys at that - one of those was a prop for a Marine Craft ......... some things don't change..
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The original version of that Ladybird book was published in 1967 and can be viewed at https://archive.org/details/the-airman/mode/2up .

Someone should send Wiggy the Woke a copy!
Yes, it only refers to MEN ... no airwomen mentioned anywhere. And they're all WHITE. I'm shocked and appalled.
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Old 1st Sep 2022, 11:38
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That JP and JP shot was discussed at length on PPrune some years ago. IIRC the individual was identified, plus the fact from knowledge of the fuselsge that he had to be facing the tail of the JP when imaged.
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Note the Mk1 Bonedome!
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 07:46
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This sort of discriminatory recruitment isn’t solely the preserve of the RAF, it seems:

https://www.hr-inform.co.uk/news-art...discrimination
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 10:24
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Where will this end?

There have been race wars, riots and civil wars over things like this. When the largest racial group of one gender is being actively discriminated against it may not end well.

I hope I’m just being overly dramatic but this whole issue seems to be gaining traction in the popular press right now. And even white males know how to read.

Beware the (hitherto) silent majority.

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I'm not sure whether I'm a 'minority' or not.

Ex-RAF White OAP ... there seem to be a lot of us here!
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When I joined the military it was:
1. Against regs and incompatible with service to be gay
then
2. They went to "Don't ask don't tell" if you are gay
now
3. ok to be openly gay
so now
4. I am getting out before it becomes a requirement for service!
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 20:53
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Originally Posted by 7p3i7lot
When I joined the military it was:
1. Against regs and incompatible with service to be gay
then
2. They went to "Don't ask don't tell" if you are gay
now
3. ok to be openly gay
so now
4. I am getting out before it becomes a requirement for service!
It is, as they say, a bugger.
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Old 29th Sep 2022, 21:40
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Originally Posted by MPN11
I'm not sure whether I'm a 'minority' or not.

Ex-RAF White OAP ... there seem to be a lot of us here!
Indeed. However….Us ‘aged WASPs’ are considered merely oxygen thieves these days. OL no longer M.


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Old 30th Sep 2022, 01:35
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Innocent questions - has the imposition of said quotas actually seen a decline in suitable candidates for RAF positions?
Do we know if the overall level of competency, suitability, merit has actually fallen while this policy has been in place?
Is the RAF now desperately short of suitable candidates for all types of roles?
I deplore woke-ism and political correctness as much as any of you.
But to use a crude analogy - surely as long as your wing-person is watching your six like a hawk - who gives a sh1te what they look like when they take their helmet and mask off?
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Old 30th Sep 2022, 07:15
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Originally Posted by tartare
Innocent questions - has the imposition of said quotas actually seen a decline in suitable candidates for RAF positions?
Do we know if the overall level of competency, suitability, merit has actually fallen while this policy has been in place?
Is the RAF now desperately short of suitable candidates for all types of roles?
I deplore woke-ism and political correctness as much as any of you.
But to use a crude analogy - surely as long as your wing-person is watching your six like a hawk - who gives a sh1te what they look like when they take their helmet and mask off?
There are not strictly any 'quotas' in force, but 'targets' - subtly different. The process revealed to have been in use is that candidates were treated as being of equal merit if they reached the minimum threshold standard for acceptance in the assessment process. Candidates above that threshold were preferentially loaded onto training courses - or 'selected', since there is only a set number of training places each year - if they were ethnic minority or female, with no regard for performance above the minimum threshold. It does not take the analytical skills of a genius to realise that such an approach reduces the average assessment performance of people accepted into service, when compared to the alternative (ahem, legally mandated) approach of selecting the candidates with the highest assessments. There's no argument here - it's a simple statistical fact.

The official line that "standards were not lowered" can only possibly be true in so far as the minimum threshold was not lowered. And I don't know that for sure; unless any more leaked correspondence emerges to the contrary, I have to take it on trust that CAS has not plumbed the depths of uttering outright lies. If it does emerge that the minimum threshold was lowered then that will be a very serious matter indeed.

Some will argue that performance in the selection process does not read across perfectly to competency and suitability for candidates' eventual professional employment. That's undoubtedly true, but it is also beyond argument that it bears some relation. Otherwise why measure any of the attributes involved?

I'm led to believe that the RAF is short of recruits in some roles, so the above process will not have made any difference to selection in those fields. Unsurprisingly, however, it has never been short of recruits to the flying branch, so some of those who in future will be responsible for "watching your six like a hawk" and were recruited during the period in question could well be so-called "diversity hires". The question now will be whether the training system has the integrity to apply the requisite standards to them. Of course, every individual who's reached the acceptance standard should be capable of passing within the allotted flying hours, and go on to perform to the required standard at the front line, but you would expect the overall proportion doing so to move in line with the standard of input. (I know there are certain incentives around course graduation in the MFTS contract, but am no expert so will limit myself to saying I hope they can't be met by compromising on student performance!)

None of the correspondence leaked thus far has indicated how the white males who did succeed were selected. If they received the same "equal merit" treatment as the minorities and females, then presumably they were allocated training places in the order they applied, or the order they attended OASC, or alphabetical order, or some other system like that. If, on the other hand, they were selected based on their merit scores - with the highest scores being offered places - then stand by for the law of unintended consequences to take hold, as white males perform better *on average* through training and in their early careers, with consequences for numbers succeeding at promotion boards... you saw it predicted here first.

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Old 30th Sep 2022, 08:46
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None of the correspondence leaked thus far has indicated how the white males who did succeed were selected. If they received the same "equal merit" treatment as the minorities and females, then presumably they were allocated training places in the order they applied, or the order they attended OASC, or alphabetical order, or some other system like that. If, on the other hand, they were selected based on their merit scores - with the highest scores being offered places - then stand by for the law of unintended consequences to take hold, as white males perform better *on average* through training and in their early careers, with consequences for numbers succeeding at promotion boards... you saw it predicted here first.
You pre-suppose that all will be treated equally throughout the training system. Historically this has not actually happened. A number of years ago the RAF made a MAJOR change to the entry requirements for pilot. The first batch through that met this new requirement were treated very differently indeed!
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Old 30th Sep 2022, 08:57
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Originally Posted by Easy Street
.... as white males perform better *on average* through training and in their early careers, with consequences for numbers succeeding at promotion boards... you saw it predicted here first.
A sensible prediction, but isn't it somewhat undermined by the fact that merit already appears to be a secondary consideration in promotion up the greasy pole? Rather, woke service leaders (and a woke civil service) will continue instead to promote based on other criteria?
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RAF ORs were/are allocated space for training in the order they applied.

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