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UKMFTS Failing to Deliver...again

Old 7th Aug 2022, 21:42
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The UK ought to consider buying slots on the Euro-NATO Joint Jet Pilot Training Program (ENJJPT) to do all its training.

https://www.sheppard.af.mil/Library/...rogram-enjjpt/


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Old 7th Aug 2022, 21:52
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Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09 View Post
The UK ought to consider buying slots on the Euro-NATO Joint Jet Pilot Training Program (ENJJPT)

https://www.sheppard.af.mil/Library/...rogram-enjjpt/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN1XHTP7IY4
They already do.....
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Old 8th Aug 2022, 05:41
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Not enough obviously!
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Old 8th Aug 2022, 06:55
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Originally Posted by typerated View Post
RNZAF has an operaional force of
5 C 130s
6 P 3s (retired two)
2 757s
8 NH90s

To train for this force it has a fleet of 11 T 6 Texans

Interesting to compare to RAF/Babcocks who fly 14 Texans.
According to the NZDF website for the T-6

https://www.nzdf.mil.nz/nzdf/our-equ...t-6c-texan-ii/

'Pilot Training aims to deliver 15–20 qualified pilots and 8–10 flying instructors annually.' so how many do we produce at mo?

4 x Raytheon Beech King Air 350, 5 x Leonardo AW109E Power LUH , I did see their first one at Farnborough Air Show 2010 (my pic below)


And last week their 109 fleet achieved 10,000 flying hours since service entry and not only they used for basic RW training they also can be tasked for medevac, disaster management and other assistantce to civilian authorities.

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Old 8th Aug 2022, 08:47
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I don’t know if you’ve ever spent much time with Guard units but whilst I agree they are equipped to a serious level I would still take some convincing that they are trained to a serious level.

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There are 113 USAF Air National Guards squadrons operating today. Is your sample size of one really large enough for you to "take some convincing that they are trained to a serious level"?
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Old 8th Aug 2022, 09:23
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Shock Horror - persistent cost cutting and 'efficiency' measures reduce manpower, morale and capability - who could have seen that coming????

It would seem even the Red Arrows have been hollowed out in terms of resources judging by the damning forensic analysis in David Hill's excellent new book 'A Noble Anger'.

Those who have occupied the most senior levels in the RAF for the last 20 years should hang their heads in shame.
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Old 8th Aug 2022, 10:10
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Those who have occupied the most senior levels in the RAF for the last 20 years should hang their heads in shame.
What performance metrics or key performance indicators has their performance been reviewed against? Who does their performance reviews?

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What performance metrics or key performance indicators has their performance been reviewed against? Who does their performance reviews?
Read the book and then explain how an aircraft with an inconsistent document set, a history of crashes following stalls and recurring recommendations from BOI/SI not embodied or cancelled is airworthy. Then look at who signs this stuff off.
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Old 8th Aug 2022, 12:18
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Originally Posted by sangiovese. View Post
Here’s a bright idea going back gosh knows how long. Stop penny pinching. MFTS is the debacle that came from destroying a system that worked.
👏 Spot on. It’s time to get rid of these PFI-esque contracts once and for all.
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Old 8th Aug 2022, 14:10
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Read the book and then explain how an aircraft with an inconsistent document set, a history of crashes following stalls and recurring recommendations from BOI/SI not embodied or cancelled is airworthy. Then look at who signs this stuff off.
My point was that while you take aim at the employees, the problem here is the employer and the system that keeps these people employed. So, while "Wiggy-the-Woke" (to quote someone else here) continues to preside over an enormous cluster**** and focuses on things that are of no real importance to operational capability, it is the system that keeps him employed that has to be changed.
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Old 8th Aug 2022, 15:20
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Ewan.

You are, of course, completely correct. Please accept my apologies.

My glibness was over the top. Also it was intended as a bit of a dig at a self-confessed civilian who probably has no actual experience of guard units either way.

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Old 8th Aug 2022, 19:10
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My point was that while you take aim at the employees, the problem here is the employer and the system that keeps these people employed. So, while "Wiggy-the-Woke" (to quote someone else here) continues to preside over an enormous cluster**** and focuses on things that are of no real importance to operational capability, it is the system that keeps him employed that has to be changed.
Correct but those VSOs are an integral part of that system, they promote people in their own image and the lies required to protect upwards and blame downwards are perpetuated.
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Old 8th Aug 2022, 22:36
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
Yeah, but those 11Texan’s ARE its “fast jet” fleet!

Of course not as you well know NZ does not have a FJ fleet, hasn't had one for some years now. It had A4 s ( all super pointy fast jet drivers considered not a fast jet anyway as they do with Harriers )but great ground attack machine which it was bought to do, plus anti shipping etc. I think his/her point is valid that with a working system you don't need numbers to provide a working training system you just need a working training system !

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Old 9th Aug 2022, 08:13
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Correct but those VSOs are an integral part of that system, they promote people in their own image and the lies required to protect upwards and blame downwards are perpetuated.
Presume though, this was all part of the grand Govt plan of changing the running the armed forces to be just like the civilian corporate world where fiddling while Rome burns is an art form among the upper echelons of pretty much every major large corporate organisation I've had the displeasure of working in during the last 15+ years.
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Presume though, this was all part of the grand Govt plan of changing the running the armed forces to be just like the civilian corporate world where fiddling while Rome burns is an art form among the upper echelons of pretty much every major large corporate organisation I've had the displeasure of working in during the last 15+ years.
yes but all those VSOs wait until their knighthoods and pensions are secure before speaking out once they have retired.
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Old 9th Aug 2022, 09:17
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Always amazes me to look a the ascent jobs website and see the turnover of roles. Obviously well paid highly motivated
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The latest advert for the RAF says all jobs are open to apply for, who wants to be CAS?
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The latest advert for the RAF says all jobs are open to apply for, who wants to be CAS?
Going by the amount of time it takes to train a FJ pilot, CAS will be going to a branch that allows time for promotion to that rank.
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Boris Johnson has enough experience now…
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I'm assuming we don't send anyone to Moose Jaw anymore? Is MFTS a single-source contract?
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