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Old 26th Sep 2022, 22:17
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langleybaston - not gaiters, but anklets.

Anklets. Anklets are supplied in five sizes, and should fit the wearer comfortably around the ankles without any gaps between the straps. The straps are to be outboard and pointing to the rear.
Trousers. To be folded at the ankle and tucked into the anklet and socks (or to be secured over the anklet with an elastic band or garter).
The same as worn by RAF Coppers: https://wyedeanstores.com/products/s...r-force-police
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 22:52
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Back in the 1960s, we wore those wretched things in the school CCF and they were known as 'gaiters'. They had to be blancoed with some greenish gunk and the straps polished with brown Kiwi boot polish, the buckles brasso'd. An utter pain!
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 07:20
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Originally Posted by Lima Juliet View Post
Spot on - as a brevet is a licence, a diploma or in this case a certificate 👍
Colloquially, the flying badge has become known as a brevet; doesn't mean this grammatically correct, but it is what most call it. A bit like a Police Constable is grammatically correctly called a Police Constable; however, it's not what most people call them.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 08:24
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Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob View Post
Colloquially, the flying badge has become known as a brevet; doesn't mean this grammatically correct, but it is what most call it. A bit like a Police Constable is grammatically correctly called a Police Constable; however, it's not what most people call them.
A bit like a synonym; plane for aeroplane or airplane or aircraft. We all know what they mean.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 09:03
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Originally Posted by beardy View Post
A bit like a synonym; plane for aeroplane or airplane or aircraft. We all know what they mean.
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Jesus worked with plane and lathe, so we are informed.
My father always said "plane" was a big No No [like raff] in his wartime service. Banned, like hands in trouser pockets, and hats in church.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 13:33
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Originally Posted by langleybaston View Post
Are they not gaiters? Puttees are cloth bandages to be wound round the calf and secured by a tape, surely.
These are the only gaiters, which were worn by officers on ceremonial occasions, such as in guards of honour or when parading the Queen's Colour, and also by gunnery instructors, vide https://www.cetomilitaria.co.uk/ours...nial-1949.html

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Old 27th Sep 2022, 14:12
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Originally Posted by langleybaston View Post
Jesus worked with plane and lathe, so we are informed.
My father always said "plane" was a big No No [like raff] in his wartime service. Banned, like hands in trouser pockets, and hats in church.
But not beards, sadly
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 15:11
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But not beards, sadly
Can I ask why?
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 15:29
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Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob View Post
There are some whose flying suits apear to resemble Lycra!!

I quite like some of the options, definately more practical. The uniform I was wearing by the time I left in the 2010s was completely different from the one I was given when I joined in '86; in those days we had No2 Thunderbird Jackets, trousers with a flare and big collars, all a hangover from the 70s, early 80s. Uniform change all the time albeit in a more subtle manner.
I joined in 1980 and, although we had Thunderbird jackets, they were less popular than the wooly pully (crew-necked iteration and no flying badges then); trousers were definitely not flared and collars were the same length as they were when I left in 2011. These uniforms (hopefully they're all intended to be worn with trousers) looks like we've re-invented a perfectly functional wheel.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 16:04
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Originally Posted by beardy View Post
A bit like a synonym; plane for aeroplane or airplane or aircraft. We all know what they mean.​​​
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"airplane" is a subset of "aircraft"

</pedantic>

but yes I know what you mean



One thing I never understood though was "police officer". Is a constable an officer? or is he (yes or she) other ranks?



As for beards (I see that was 2019) . I thought they were prohibited because you couldn't wear an oxygen mask with one and it was made a one-rule-for-all type of thing (well that and to distinguish themselves from the Senior Service)
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Originally Posted by snapper41 View Post
But not beards, sadly
Hands in beards, or beards in church?
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 18:24
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Originally Posted by Sue VÍtements View Post
<pedantic>

"airplane" is a subset of "aircraft"

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but yes I know what you mean



One thing I never understood though was "police officer". Is a constable an officer? or is he (yes or she) other ranks?



As for beards (I see that was 2019) . I thought they were prohibited because you couldn't wear an oxygen mask with one and it was made a one-rule-for-all type of thing (well that and to distinguish themselves from the Senior Service)
I canít have a beard because it interferes with the fit of my oxygen mask. My question about beards is why are people concerned about them. Is there anecdotal evidence that it degrades operational effectiveness? Rhetorical of course because no, of course it doesnít. In which case, what is the issue?
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Originally Posted by Toadstool View Post
Is there anecdotal evidence that it degrades operational effectiveness? Rhetorical of course because no, of course it doesnít. In which case, what is the issue?
Neither does having a tattooed face, or growing sideburns way past the bottom of the ears, but we still can't do that!
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 20:07
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Originally Posted by Jobza Guddun View Post
Neither does having a tattooed face, or growing sideburns way past the bottom of the ears, but we still can't do that!
Thank God. But give it time, Iím sure itís on the SLTís very important to do list.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 20:10
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Originally Posted by Roland Pulfrew View Post
Thank God. But give it time, Iím sure itís on the SLTís very important to do list.
Put a request in if thatís what you want. Still waiting to see what is wrong with beards.

FWIW, the former CASWO (as it was then) visited my unit and chatted to all of us of my rank. He explained that one of the changes they were looking at was beards. Apparently, in every survey they did of those serving, beards was an issue. We of course said no, and that there were many more important issues to worry about.

Fast forward a few years, beards it is. Of course most of us were change resistant. Now, I couldnít care. One day we couldnít have beards, the next we could, and the world kept turning and Ops carried on. Beard or no beard, do your job to the best of your ability, thatís all I care about. Iíll let others sweat the small stuff.
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Originally Posted by toadstool View Post
put a request in if thatís what you want. Still waiting to see what is wrong with beards.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 20:29
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Originally Posted by langleybaston View Post
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Agreed, even if I could ( oxygen mask dependent) personally I wouldnít. What others do however, thatís their business. Apparently itís a win as far as dress policy goes, same as pony tails for ladies. If it keeps people happy and doesnít impact on operational effectiveness then I donít care.

In any case, itís policy. The RAF has moved on.

There are many changes in policy since I joined in 1986 and things are remarkably better. Imagine the RAF in 1986 where we didnít get rid of women who got pregnant. Imagine the RAF in 1986 where people who were gay werenít thrown out.

Beards. Whatever.

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Old 27th Sep 2022, 21:48
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Originally Posted by Stitchbitch View Post
Good start with some usable kit there, but why are they still pushing out the wedgewood blue shirt? I realize blunties have to wear something but times have changed..
SB.

it all looks dreadful. (IMHO) but thatís possibly because of the cheap manikins? (anyone else notice our new PM has more than a passing resemblance to an M&S one?)

But, hey, you know that nothing else matters as long as Ďflying suitsí can still be worn in the bar on Fridays and the pockets can be ritually torn off by fast jet matesÖ..

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Old 28th Sep 2022, 09:24
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Originally Posted by Toadstool View Post
Can I ask why?
Against my better judgement, since I assume we are never going to agree, here’s why. I fully concede that they have no impact on operational effectiveness, but beards simply do not belong in the Royal Air Force - they are the preserve of the Royal Navy. They look particularly scruffy IMHO with an RAF uniform. When Sir Wokeston allowed them, I believe that the argument was for ‘greater diversity and inclusivity’ (but of course), when that simply wasn’t true; they have always been allowed on religious grounds. Then there was the argument that potential recruits would be put off joining if they couldn’t keep their precious beard - well, boo hoo. You either want to join up, or you don’t; the military has rules - if you don’t like it, don’t join. The military has never been a follower of fashion, which is all that beards are - a fashion.
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If it was ok for the KingÖ
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