New RAF Uniforms
langleybaston - not gaiters, but anklets.
The same as worn by RAF Coppers: https://wyedeanstores.com/products/s...r-force-police
Anklets. Anklets are supplied in five sizes, and should fit the wearer comfortably around the ankles without any gaps between the straps. The straps are to be outboard and pointing to the rear.
Trousers. To be folded at the ankle and tucked into the anklet and socks (or to be secured over the anklet with an elastic band or garter).
Back in the 1960s, we wore those wretched things in the school CCF and they were known as 'gaiters'. They had to be blancoed with some greenish gunk and the straps polished with brown Kiwi boot polish, the buckles brasso'd. An utter pain!
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Originally Posted by Lima Juliet
Spot on - as a brevet is a licence, a diploma or in this case a certificate 👍
Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob
Colloquially, the flying badge has become known as a brevet; doesn't mean this grammatically correct, but it is what most call it. A bit like a Police Constable is grammatically correctly called a Police Constable; however, it's not what most people call them.
Originally Posted by beardy
A bit like a synonym; plane for aeroplane or airplane or aircraft. We all know what they mean.
My father always said "plane" was a big No No [like raff] in his wartime service. Banned, like hands in trouser pockets, and hats in church.
Originally Posted by langleybaston
Are they not gaiters? Puttees are cloth bandages to be wound round the calf and secured by a tape, surely.
Jack
Originally Posted by langleybaston
Jesus worked with plane and lathe, so we are informed.
My father always said "plane" was a big No No [like raff] in his wartime service. Banned, like hands in trouser pockets, and hats in church.
My father always said "plane" was a big No No [like raff] in his wartime service. Banned, like hands in trouser pockets, and hats in church.
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Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob
There are some whose flying suits apear to resemble Lycra!!
I quite like some of the options, definately more practical. The uniform I was wearing by the time I left in the 2010s was completely different from the one I was given when I joined in '86; in those days we had No2 Thunderbird Jackets, trousers with a flare and big collars, all a hangover from the 70s, early 80s. Uniform change all the time albeit in a more subtle manner.
I quite like some of the options, definately more practical. The uniform I was wearing by the time I left in the 2010s was completely different from the one I was given when I joined in '86; in those days we had No2 Thunderbird Jackets, trousers with a flare and big collars, all a hangover from the 70s, early 80s. Uniform change all the time albeit in a more subtle manner.
Originally Posted by beardy
A bit like a synonym; plane for aeroplane or airplane or aircraft. We all know what they mean.
"airplane" is a subset of "aircraft"
</pedantic>
but yes I know what you mean
One thing I never understood though was "police officer". Is a constable an officer? or is he (yes or she) other ranks?
As for beards (I see that was 2019) . I thought they were prohibited because you couldn't wear an oxygen mask with one and it was made a one-rule-for-all type of thing (well that and to distinguish themselves from the Senior Service)
Originally Posted by Sue Vêtements
<pedantic>
"airplane" is a subset of "aircraft"
</pedantic>
but yes I know what you mean
One thing I never understood though was "police officer". Is a constable an officer? or is he (yes or she) other ranks?
As for beards (I see that was 2019) . I thought they were prohibited because you couldn't wear an oxygen mask with one and it was made a one-rule-for-all type of thing (well that and to distinguish themselves from the Senior Service)
"airplane" is a subset of "aircraft"
</pedantic>
but yes I know what you mean
One thing I never understood though was "police officer". Is a constable an officer? or is he (yes or she) other ranks?
As for beards (I see that was 2019) . I thought they were prohibited because you couldn't wear an oxygen mask with one and it was made a one-rule-for-all type of thing (well that and to distinguish themselves from the Senior Service)
Originally Posted by Toadstool
Is there anecdotal evidence that it degrades operational effectiveness? Rhetorical of course because no, of course it doesn’t. In which case, what is the issue?
Originally Posted by Jobza Guddun
Neither does having a tattooed face, or growing sideburns way past the bottom of the ears, but we still can't do that!
Originally Posted by Roland Pulfrew
Thank God. But give it time, I’m sure it’s on the SLT’s very important to do list.
FWIW, the former CASWO (as it was then) visited my unit and chatted to all of us of my rank. He explained that one of the changes they were looking at was beards. Apparently, in every survey they did of those serving, beards was an issue. We of course said no, and that there were many more important issues to worry about.
Fast forward a few years, beards it is. Of course most of us were change resistant. Now, I couldn’t care. One day we couldn’t have beards, the next we could, and the world kept turning and Ops carried on. Beard or no beard, do your job to the best of your ability, that’s all I care about. I’ll let others sweat the small stuff.
Originally Posted by toadstool
put a request in if that’s what you want. Still waiting to see what is wrong with beards.
Originally Posted by langleybaston
itchy scratchy and harbour old food and young animals
In any case, it’s policy. The RAF has moved on.
There are many changes in policy since I joined in 1986 and things are remarkably better. Imagine the RAF in 1986 where we didn’t get rid of women who got pregnant. Imagine the RAF in 1986 where people who were gay weren’t thrown out.
Beards. Whatever.
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Originally Posted by Stitchbitch
Good start with some usable kit there, but why are they still pushing out the wedgewood blue shirt? I realize blunties have to wear something but times have changed.. 
it all looks dreadful. (IMHO) but that’s possibly because of the cheap manikins? (anyone else notice our new PM has more than a passing resemblance to an M&S one?)
But, hey, you know that nothing else matters as long as ‘flying suits’ can still be worn in the bar on Fridays and the pockets can be ritually torn off by fast jet mates…..
😉
Originally Posted by Toadstool
Can I ask why?
