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Old 26th May 2022, 06:07
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we could be like the Canadians who rename everything just to confuse everyone
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Old 26th May 2022, 06:57
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Originally Posted by Cat Techie View Post
Falcon is a French aeroplane. Cannot have that name used!
As I sad above, the Falcon is a british built glider of the '30s and the Falcon was the American version of the Dassault Mystere 20.
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Old 26th May 2022, 09:23
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Originally Posted by chevvron View Post
As I sad above, the Falcon is a british built glider of the '30s and the Falcon was the American version of the Dassault Mystere 20.
Tsk tsk Chevvron, you overlook the lovely and very British Miles Falcon of 1934 - surely an executive aircraft in its time!
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Old 26th May 2022, 10:26
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There's not been a military Falcon before (although some Miles ones were impressed during WW2), mainly because for a lot of the 20th Century, bird of prey names were reserved for Rolls Royce engines.(there were exceptions to that) so Falcon CCmk 1 would have been quite in order. be interesting to see if once it gets fully militarised, it actually gets a role designator.
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I'm excited that after 75 years we are abandoning Arabic numerals and role prefixes. We now have the Typhoon IV, the Hawk II, the Chinook VI and of course the XVII Globemaster and XXXV Lightning.
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Old 26th May 2022, 13:24
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
we could be like the Canadians who rename everything just to confuse everyone
Indeed, took me a while to figure out what an Aurora was. Surprised they stuck with "Hornet" for the F/A-18.
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Old 26th May 2022, 13:47
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Originally Posted by Davef68 View Post
There's not been a military Falcon before (although some Miles ones were impressed during WW2), mainly because for a lot of the 20th Century, bird of prey names were reserved for Rolls Royce engines.(there were exceptions to that) so Falcon CCmk 1 would have been quite in order. be interesting to see if once it gets fully militarised, it actually gets a role designator.

Modern era Rolls Royce Jet engines were named after rivers, Conway, Tyne, Trent, Adour, Dart, Clyde, Avon, Derwent, Medway etc..
You have to go way back to their piston engines to really find the bird names.

So as you are referring to the 20th Century and as we have moved on from that, perhaps the Millenium Falcon would have been apt.

Don't forget we have had the Kestrel, Harrier, Merlin, Hawk etc as RAF aircraft, I do wonder if the reasoning is to avoid confusion in military circles with the F16 Falcon, even though it's supposed to be the Fighting Falcon... Or was.


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Old 27th May 2022, 05:10
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Originally Posted by chevvron View Post
I'm surprised they never named the '146.
They probably did not want to admit that they were operating them and hoped they would go away quietly. Even Charles had an unsuccessful go at getting rid of one for them, didn't he?
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Old 27th May 2022, 05:49
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Surprised they stuck with "Hornet" for the F/A-18.
They even kept the number - CF-18. Similarly with the CF-104.

On the other hand, not many people would connect CC-138 with the Twin Otter!
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Old 27th May 2022, 07:14
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It's a nice shiny new aircraft - perhaps call it "ENVY"?
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Old 27th May 2022, 10:26
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Originally Posted by India Four Two View Post
They even kept the number - CF-18. Similarly with the CF-104.

On the other hand, not many people would connect CC-138 with the Twin Otter!
Officially, the Hornet is the CF-188 (You can see what they did there - the Globemaster is CC177).
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Old 29th May 2022, 13:55
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
That's not how it works. "C.2" (or, more correctly "C Mk. 2") indicates that the same aircraft type (not an older type with the same name) has existed as a Mk. 1 at some stage.
Was the Harrier GR5 really the same aircraft as the GR3? 🤷‍♂️
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Old 29th May 2022, 16:10
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Don't forget we have had the Kestrel, Harrier, Merlin, Hawk etc

The MERLIN started out as the European Helicopter Industries 01 (EHI 01) which became the EH 101 somehow. The competition to name it for the RN came up with MARLIN. Pretty good seeing that it was to be an ASW helicopter. Somehow this morphed into MERLIN.

Lucky it wasn’t cincelled.

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Old 29th May 2022, 16:39
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Seems appropriate

European New, Voters Oblivious Yet again......

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Old 30th May 2022, 16:03
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Originally Posted by Mogwi View Post
Don't forget we have had the Kestrel, Harrier, Merlin, Hawk etc

The MERLIN started out as the European Helicopter Industries 01 (EHI 01) which became the EH 101 somehow. The competition to name it for the RN came up with MARLIN. Pretty good seeing that it was to be an ASW helicopter. Somehow this morphed into MERLIN.

Lucky it wasn’t cincelled.

Mog
I understand that EHI 01 and EH 101 was a typo that was never corrected. Probably the same with the Marlin
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Old 1st Jun 2022, 12:24
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I've still never understood why the F-35 was never given a proper UK designation - Lightning FGR.7 or FGR.8, depending on whether or not the English Electric F.7 was ever deemed to 'exist'.
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I've still never understood why the F-35 was never given a proper UK designation
Neither was the C-17.
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Originally Posted by Underbolt View Post
I've still never understood why the F-35 was never given a proper UK designation - Lightning FGR.7 or FGR.8, depending on whether or not the English Electric F.7 was ever deemed to 'exist'.
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Neither was the C-17.
I did read it was because both were tied into the US certification and engineering systems
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Originally Posted by Davef68 View Post
I did read it was because both were tied into the US certification and engineering systems
Either that, or somebody thought that Lightning II Mk.1 (and ditto Globemaster III) would just be confusing.
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Originally Posted by Mogwi View Post
Don't forget we have had the Kestrel, Harrier, Merlin, Hawk etc

The MERLIN started out as the European Helicopter Industries 01 (EHI 01) which became the EH 101 somehow. The competition to name it for the RN came up with MARLIN. Pretty good seeing that it was to be an ASW helicopter. Somehow this morphed into MERLIN.

Lucky it wasn’t cincelled.

Mog
Additionally, don't forget that RNAS Worthy Down was HMS KESTREL, RNAS Kete was HMS HARRIER and, perhaps a little more significantly than "Somehow" in the current context, RNAS Donibristle was HMS MERLIN, and of course RNAS Culdrose is HMS SEAHAWK rather than plain old HAWK.

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