When did Hawk stop being used as fighter in Cold War?
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When did Hawk stop being used as fighter in Cold War?
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I understand that the Hawk T1a was equipped to carry missiles and gun pod to work with the Tornado force in the Cold War. Does anyone happen to know when this practise stopped - am assuming that it wasn't of value past 1991?
I understand that the Hawk T1a was equipped to carry missiles and gun pod to work with the Tornado force in the Cold War. Does anyone happen to know when this practise stopped - am assuming that it wasn't of value past 1991?
Originally Posted by Jimlad1
Hi Folks
I understand that the Hawk T1a was equipped to carry missiles and gun pod to work with the Tornado force in the Cold War. Does anyone happen to know when this practise stopped - am assuming that it wasn't of value past 1991?
I understand that the Hawk T1a was equipped to carry missiles and gun pod to work with the Tornado force in the Cold War. Does anyone happen to know when this practise stopped - am assuming that it wasn't of value past 1991?
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Ohh god - the dreaded Mixed Fighter Force (MFF). Everyone hated it. The F3 either accelerated and left them behind or had to slow down for them. They weren’t any use BVR and the F3s didn’t want to go the merge.
Only real use, as with the Hunters, was point CAP at the airfields. So they were given to ATC and spent their time on deckchairs on the ORP at RS2 to scramble for cover airfield attacks,
Only real use, as with the Hunters, was point CAP at the airfields. So they were given to ATC and spent their time on deckchairs on the ORP at RS2 to scramble for cover airfield attacks,
Originally Posted by ORAC
Ohh god - the dreaded Mixed Fighter Force (MFF). Everyone hated it. The F3 either accelerated and left them behind or had to slow down for them. They weren’t any use BVR and the F3s didn’t want to go the merge.
Only real use, as with the Hunters, was point CAP at the airfields. So they were given to ATC and spent their time on deckchairs on the ORP at RS2 to scramble for cover airfield attacks,
Only real use, as with the Hunters, was point CAP at the airfields. So they were given to ATC and spent their time on deckchairs on the ORP at RS2 to scramble for cover airfield attacks,
I think I was on the last exercise before the (lack-of) capability was formally withdrawn. Log book not to hand but circa 1993 would not be far off and again, from a failing memory, I think we deployed from Chivenor to Leuchars as part of their TacEval. Initially we operated from a HAS site, eventually getting the aircraft tele-brief plug clean enough to work, before dispersing to a civilian airfield. At no time were we part of an F3 package, just worked / got-in-the-way independently, often very far over a cold North Sea.
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It always seemed a poor idea.
Perfect for a Mallet Blow and the Hawks could CAP Croquet Lighthouse and have 90% of the muds coming past in sight.
Hard to Imagine the Soviets getting that close to the UK though?
If the Hawk was to be a light fighter surely would have been better going to Germany and running CAPs on the North Germany plain. Much more likely to bump into Soviet Tactical Aviation. (although perhaps not after what we see in Ukraine)
But I think the Hawk would have been much better in wartime being used for Emergency CAS – as Harrier Replacements/ Additions in Germany. Much the same as the Germans used the Alpha Jet. Although perhaps not a popular plan with any crews!
I recall Mixed Fighter Farce during an exercise at Wattisham in the early '80s. Dispersed to the ORP, whilst waiting for something to happen, we were treated to the sight of a MFF Hawk landing with the bang seat pole poking out of the rear canopy... Later we heard that it was because a fighter controller on a jolly had managed to eject himself.
A rather less than sympathetic comment came from a 'senior' F-4 mate - "A fighter controller? Best place for the beggars is the North Sea - with or without a dinghy!"
A rather less than sympathetic comment came from a 'senior' F-4 mate - "A fighter controller? Best place for the beggars is the North Sea - with or without a dinghy!"
Originally Posted by Just This Once...
I think I was on the last exercise before the (lack-of) capability was formally withdrawn. Log book not to hand but circa 1993 would not be far off and again, from a failing memory, I think we deployed from Chivenor to Leuchars as part of their TacEval. Initially we operated from a HAS site, eventually getting the aircraft tele-brief plug clean enough to work, before dispersing to a civilian airfield. At no time were we part of an F3 package, just worked / got-in-the-way independently, often very far over a cold North Sea.
I do indeed recall 'LOPRO' exercises with disposable Canberras in my Vulcan days. But to brighten up the excrutiating boredom of MRR, we also did the odd 'SELPRO' event - one on occasion blundering across a number of HM's war canoes being shadowed by some Russian ships! RWR audio was quite impressive - as were the instructions from the maritime controller inviting us to....Foxtrot Oscar!!
Originally Posted by BEagle
I recall MFF during an exercise at Wattisham in the early '80s. Dispersed to the ORP, whilst waiting for something to happen, we were treated to the sight of a MFF Hawk landing with the bang seat pole poking out of the rear canopy... Later we heard that it was because a fighter controller on a jolly had managed to eject himself.
A rather less than sympathetic comment came from a 'senior' F-4 mate - "A fighter controller? Best place for the beggars is the North Sea - with or without a dinghy!"
A rather less than sympathetic comment came from a 'senior' F-4 mate - "A fighter controller? Best place for the beggars is the North Sea - with or without a dinghy!"
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Originally Posted by MAINJAFAD
Rumour has it he had actually paid attention when learning the dingy drills. First heard the story when back seat rides at Valley were offered to the guys at the Radar site at Ty Croes in 92/93. When I made a comment that an ACM sortie would be cool, the SOpsO replied, Not going to happen, they don't allow them anymore after said Fighter Controller banged out. It was actually the second Pax bang out from a Hawk that safely landed in the space of a week. The first one was a Circus linely who banged out of a Red after the aircraft suffered a low level wire strike.
I have to ask...does one get a tie in such circumstances?
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Originally Posted by tartare
Crikey - that'd leave the driver with a bit of a headache - I assume it'd set off the det cord...?
Are you sure those were LOPROs? Or perhaps KELTEX simulated ASM attacks on HM's grey war canoes, which previously used Gnats from Valley?
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Originally Posted by BEagle
I recall Mixed Fighter Farce during an exercise at Wattisham in the early '80s. Dispersed to the ORP, whilst waiting for something to happen, we were treated to the sight of a MFF Hawk landing with the bang seat pole poking out of the rear canopy... Later we heard that it was because a fighter controller on a jolly had managed to eject himself.
