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Moskva down

Old 14th Apr 2022, 20:43
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Serves Russia right!! Great news,
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 20:44
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Good news comrade Putin, the navy divers just confirmed that the fire aboard the Moskva has been extinguished once and for all.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 20:45
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
I do feel a slight sadness for the crew, most of them will not be involved with shelling anyone, nor raping or looting, and it will be a blow to a close community in their home port, but it did need taking out and that will reverberate all the way to the top while making the Navy now back right off.
Given the crew were reportedly the elite navy crew i.e believers in the cause, coupled with the fact the Moskva had been indiscriminately attacking civilian infrastructure, I'll not be shedding any tears
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 20:47
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Any word on casualties?
No, nor will there be
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 20:49
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 21:00
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New Ukrainian stamps issued yesterday



Begs the question was this part of a publicity campaign by the Ukrainian Post Office?

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Old 14th Apr 2022, 21:04
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Bit off topic

Seems to be somewhat of a weird warship does an impersonations of Type 42 Destroyer sinking day today. Moskva sinks like the Sheffield, while in the USA, the WWII USS The Sullivans has done an ARA Hercules (sunk at the dockside).

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Old 14th Apr 2022, 21:20
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Somewhere lies the truth….


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Old 14th Apr 2022, 21:24
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Originally Posted by BANANASBANANAS View Post
It probably would if Putin had admitted that the loss of the ship was due to attack by Ukraine Forces but the party line seems to be that an on board fire triggered an amunition explosion. So Putin would first have to admit to the Russian people that he lied, or at the very least, his information was unreliable.
I look forward to hearing of more fires and explosions on Soviet (AKA Russian) warships.

Glad the sailors were rescued though.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 21:53
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I suspect that it was scuttled. Sooner or later evidence would have emerged as to whether it was hit by missiles or caught fire. Now it is sunk, the Russians can stick to their story.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 22:02
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Originally Posted by oxenos View Post
I suspect that it was scuttled. Sooner or later evidence would have emerged as to whether it was hit by missiles or caught fire. Now it is sunk, the Russians can stick to their story.
I agree. Pictures of a badly damaged vessel being towed into port would also have been great propaganda for the Ukrainians/terrible for the Russians, and I doubt the Russians have the ability currently to repair her.

And as for the sailors all being rescued, we only have Russian reports for that. Fire and explosion on a ship at night in rough weather is rarely 100% survivable.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 22:32
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Poor towing procedure, sinking a perfectly good ship. I would not like to be the tugboat captain now.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 22:45
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Originally Posted by Mariner9 View Post
And as for the sailors all being rescued, we only have Russian reports for that. Fire and explosion on a ship at night in rough weather is rarely 100% survivable.
And being under tow in those conditions is equally unlikely.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 23:16
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Originally Posted by MAINJAFAD View Post
Yes, off topic as in "That's a floating museum in NYC, not the current USS Sullivans, DDG-68, which has a helicopter deck aft (aviation content!) no hangar, as it's a pre Flight III Arleigh Burke class destroyer.

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Old 14th Apr 2022, 23:42
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I have not seen any pictures yet, perhaps unsurprising. Presumably there will be an absolute clampdown on the Russian side but weren’t there reports of a Turkish vessel assisting?
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 00:17
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
I have not seen any pictures yet, perhaps unsurprising. Presumably there will be an absolute clampdown on the Russian side but weren’t there reports of a Turkish vessel assisting?
denied by turkey
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 00:27
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
Yes, off topic as in "That's a floating museum in NYC, not the current USS Sullivans, DDG-68, which has a helicopter deck aft (aviation content!) no hangar, as it's a pre Flight III Arleigh Burke class destroyer.
That's why I said the WWII (Original) one. Three Type 42's actually sank while in service (or in reserve). Sheffield sank under tow in a storm after she was hit by an Exocet, Coventry capsized within minutes after being hit by three bombs and the ARA Santísima Trinidad sank at her moorings (got the wrong ship, Hercules was the other Argentine Type 42), I just noted it was weird that two warships (even if one is a museum ship) sink on the same day.

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Old 15th Apr 2022, 05:55
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Originally Posted by Wokkafans View Post
News Release from Russian Defense Agency: Any claims of sinking of the Moskva by Ukrainian nazis is obviously false. After the successful completion of phase one of the Special Military Operation, the Moskva has been re-assigned to anti-submarine patrol along the bottom of the Black Sea. Please ignore fantastical claims by criminal elements.
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 07:19
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I always thought that Soviet ships looked better than western ones due to their appearance of bristling with weapons. I mean compare the Moskva with the USS Sullivans above. It now seems possible that strapping 16 cruise missiles to the upper deck is asking for an ammo fire if struck by enemy weaponry? I'm guessing Nato ships that store missiles internally have more options for fire suppression in the event of fires?
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 07:32
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Originally Posted by Mariner9 View Post
I agree. Pictures of a badly damaged vessel being towed into port would also have been great propaganda for the Ukrainians/terrible for the Russians, and I doubt the Russians have the ability currently to repair her.

And as for the sailors all being rescued, we only have Russian reports for that. Fire and explosion on a ship at night in rough weather is rarely 100% survivable.
I think that the reports of poor weather may be somewhat overstated I was looking at some GRIB files that were issued around the time that the incident happened and it looks like there would have been a Northerly 15-20 Kts with significant wave height of around 1.5m when the alleged missile strike took place. Around the time she was reported under tow, this had dropped to 5kts with significant wave height of 0.5m. I very much doubt that the weather had much influence on either the SAR operation or the sinking.
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