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Old 14th Apr 2022, 15:48
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
Ethical Question for you military people, is it still OK to fire upon an enemy warship even though it may be conducting a rescue operation.
Chris Wreford-Brown apparently generated a firing solution for one of the Argentinian vessels picking up survivors from Belgrano, but opted not to prosecute an attack.

Personally I'd have no problem finishing off a capital ship like Moskva, get rid of it forever.

On which note, I wonder it will have pickets to protect it while it is under tow? They would make a tempting target too...
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 16:10
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Moskva down

The ship i knew as a Slava in the old days has been seriously damaged by missile attack.
Seems like they were a bit quick to abandon ship if its still afloat.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61103927
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 16:16
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The wheelbarrows still work!

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Old 14th Apr 2022, 17:00
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Presuming that this was in fact a cruise missile attack and not an on board fire as the Russian news release asserts:
The aviation, or perhaps aerospace, question I have is how Ukraine's missile system (allegedly Neptun) got cueing and targeting information on a ship at sea when their own maritime assets are in poor shape.
I'll toss out a guess: drone/UAV got a good enough "AoP" for the Moskva and they let loose with a few Neptun's.
There, we have aviation content related to the OP.

Nostalgia moment: when we were doing FoN ops in the black sea back in '85, we were, shadowed/escorted by three Soviet Navy ships as we did our "right on the 12 mile limit" transits.
A Krivak frigate, a Udaloy destroyer, and the Slava (CG). She was fairly new then, and was a real beauty to behold.
Our helicopter detachment was not allowed to fly during that transit. We had to stay on the ship for various political reasons. We took a lot of pictures of our escorts, which were of course all turned into the ship's INT officer.
Our little flotilla was overflown by a Backfire at fairly low altitude. Loud, that was.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 17:06
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Some guesswork? Dunno: Loss of Russian Cruiser Moskva: What we know so far - Naval News 14 Apr 2022
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 18:02
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Even if it was still afloat, if an on-board fire was threatening the ship's magazine(s), abandoning ship may very well have been the most prudent thing to do, lest the ship go boom like HMS Hood.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 18:16
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Well if only 55 were taken off the hull by the Turkish ship in the area as is being suggested, that still leaves around 450 trying to prevent the "boom".

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Old 14th Apr 2022, 18:27
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As always in war, info is often sketchy. I was going by the RIA Novosti report that the ship was completely evacuated. Whatever the case, the truth will make itself known eventually.

https://ria-ru.translate.goog/202204..._x_tr_pto=wapp

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Old 14th Apr 2022, 18:41
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Well if only 55 were taken off the hull by the Turkish ship in the area as is being suggested, that still leaves around 450 trying to prevent the "boom".

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I believe the Turks have denied that any of their vessels were involved in a rescue
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 19:12
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
Presuming that this was in fact a cruise missile attack and not an on board fire as the Russian news release asserts:
The aviation, or perhaps aerospace, question I have is how Ukraine's missile system (allegedly Neptun) got cueing and targeting information on a ship at sea when their own maritime assets are in poor shape.
I'll toss out a guess: drone/UAV got a good enough "AoP" for the Moskva and they let loose with a few Neptun's.
There, we have aviation content related to the OP.
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The US has spoken of 'unprecedented intelligence sharing', which suggests that satellite surveillance cuing data might have been supplied to the Ukraine.
Separately, does the 'Neptune' not look rather like a 'Harpoon' at launch?
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 19:16
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 19:39
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Originally Posted by etudiant View Post
Separately, does the 'Neptune' not look rather like a 'Harpoon' at launch?
To me it does, yes.
The Russian missile upon which it is based (KH-35) was dubbed Harpoonski by some Western wags when it came out.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 20:08
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It's sunk!! Just been confirmed by the Russian defence ministry.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 20:15
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 20:17
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In support of dead_pan's posts:
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 20:22
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That's a Gotcha for the tabloids tomorrow then.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 20:30
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Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.
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I do feel a slight sadness for the crew, most of them will not be involved with shelling anyone, nor raping or looting, and it will be a blow to a close community in their home port, but it did need taking out and that will reverberate all the way to the top while making the Navy now back right off.
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 20:31
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 View Post
To me it does, yes.
The Russian missile upon which it is based (KH-35) was dubbed Harpoonski by some Western wags when it came out.
Flys further though does it not?
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Old 14th Apr 2022, 20:32
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Any word on casualties?
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