Moskva down
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
Ethical Question for you military people, is it still OK to fire upon an enemy warship even though it may be conducting a rescue operation.
Personally I'd have no problem finishing off a capital ship like Moskva, get rid of it forever.
On which note, I wonder it will have pickets to protect it while it is under tow? They would make a tempting target too...
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Moskva down
The ship i knew as a Slava in the old days has been seriously damaged by missile attack.
Seems like they were a bit quick to abandon ship if its still afloat.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61103927
Seems like they were a bit quick to abandon ship if its still afloat.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61103927
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Presuming that this was in fact a cruise missile attack and not an on board fire as the Russian news release asserts:
The aviation, or perhaps aerospace, question I have is how Ukraine's missile system (allegedly Neptun) got cueing and targeting information on a ship at sea when their own maritime assets are in poor shape.
I'll toss out a guess: drone/UAV got a good enough "AoP" for the Moskva and they let loose with a few Neptun's.
There, we have aviation content related to the OP.
Nostalgia moment: when we were doing FoN ops in the black sea back in '85, we were, shadowed/escorted by three Soviet Navy ships as we did our "right on the 12 mile limit" transits.
A Krivak frigate, a Udaloy destroyer, and the Slava (CG). She was fairly new then, and was a real beauty to behold.
Our helicopter detachment was not allowed to fly during that transit. We had to stay on the ship for various political reasons. We took a lot of pictures of our escorts, which were of course all turned into the ship's INT officer.
Our little flotilla was overflown by a Backfire at fairly low altitude. Loud, that was.
The aviation, or perhaps aerospace, question I have is how Ukraine's missile system (allegedly Neptun) got cueing and targeting information on a ship at sea when their own maritime assets are in poor shape.
I'll toss out a guess: drone/UAV got a good enough "AoP" for the Moskva and they let loose with a few Neptun's.
There, we have aviation content related to the OP.
Nostalgia moment: when we were doing FoN ops in the black sea back in '85, we were, shadowed/escorted by three Soviet Navy ships as we did our "right on the 12 mile limit" transits.
A Krivak frigate, a Udaloy destroyer, and the Slava (CG). She was fairly new then, and was a real beauty to behold.
Our helicopter detachment was not allowed to fly during that transit. We had to stay on the ship for various political reasons. We took a lot of pictures of our escorts, which were of course all turned into the ship's INT officer.
Our little flotilla was overflown by a Backfire at fairly low altitude. Loud, that was.
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Some guesswork? Dunno: Loss of Russian Cruiser Moskva: What we know so far - Naval News 14 Apr 2022
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As always in war, info is often sketchy. I was going by the RIA Novosti report that the ship was completely evacuated. Whatever the case, the truth will make itself known eventually.
https://ria-ru.translate.goog/202204..._x_tr_pto=wapp
https://ria-ru.translate.goog/202204..._x_tr_pto=wapp
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Originally Posted by Imagegear
Well if only 55 were taken off the hull by the Turkish ship in the area as is being suggested, that still leaves around 450 trying to prevent the "boom".
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
Presuming that this was in fact a cruise missile attack and not an on board fire as the Russian news release asserts:
The aviation, or perhaps aerospace, question I have is how Ukraine's missile system (allegedly Neptun) got cueing and targeting information on a ship at sea when their own maritime assets are in poor shape.
I'll toss out a guess: drone/UAV got a good enough "AoP" for the Moskva and they let loose with a few Neptun's.
There, we have aviation content related to the OP.
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The aviation, or perhaps aerospace, question I have is how Ukraine's missile system (allegedly Neptun) got cueing and targeting information on a ship at sea when their own maritime assets are in poor shape.
I'll toss out a guess: drone/UAV got a good enough "AoP" for the Moskva and they let loose with a few Neptun's.
There, we have aviation content related to the OP.
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The US has spoken of 'unprecedented intelligence sharing', which suggests that satellite surveillance cuing data might have been supplied to the Ukraine.
Separately, does the 'Neptune' not look rather like a 'Harpoon' at launch?
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Originally Posted by etudiant
Separately, does the 'Neptune' not look rather like a 'Harpoon' at launch?
The Russian missile upon which it is based (KH-35) was dubbed Harpoonski by some Western wags when it came out.
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I do feel a slight sadness for the crew, most of them will not be involved with shelling anyone, nor raping or looting, and it will be a blow to a close community in their home port, but it did need taking out and that will reverberate all the way to the top while making the Navy now back right off.
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Originally Posted by T28B
In support of dead_pan's posts:
https://twitter.com/theragex/status/1514696493847953414
https://twitter.com/theragex/status/1514696493847953414
