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Old 19th Apr 2022, 21:53
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Originally Posted by plans123 View Post
I don't post much, but I am dismayed by some of the comments on this thread and cant see the relevance of this subject to this forum to be honest.
Because this is a recently closed RAF base. Given recent world events, I would have thought that the ability to disperse assets or cope with a possible surge in training makes it a very relevant subject.........the fact that it's being turned into a reception centre for people who have no desire to fully integrate, will bite the hand that feeds (in a heart beat) and who live life by a different code, just compounds my incredulity. If you want to call that NIMBYism, xenophobia or racism, knock yourselves out..........but I really would like to bet that all of those who are getting that warm fuzzy feeling from their "good samaritan" sanctimony, would be devastated if they owned a property that had just tanked in value........I mean, Devon must have its fair share of these facilities, right???? I'll ask the question again........how many of you "good samaritans" have had direct dealings in this country with people who are contemptuous and hostile towards this country and like it or not, a predominantly Christian way of life??? Anyhow, once more with feeling......would it not make more sense to keep this asset under care and maintenance?

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Old 19th Apr 2022, 22:34
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I wonder how many pilots/navs/air trafficers and a whole swathe of mil personnel, whilst moving around the world, bought property next to a "home base" to get on the property ladder. Linton is not unique, there is a very large number of retired personnel here, and rental homes owned by currently serving personnel who just happen to be posted elsewhere.

Linton can hold but a small fraction of the current and expected loading, and Priti Patel has made it clear that hotel accommodation is too costly. She has her sights on other Defence Estate properties. Linton is the experiment where the end result has already been determined (it will go ahead no matter what) and if you live within 5 miles of a red edged road sign pointing towards your rural idyll, don't be overly surprised when you wake up to the same news we did.
Advantage you have, is you have been fore-warned.

By all means hide this away in Jet Blast, bury your heads in the sand if you want, but we won't be the last to be seriously affected.

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Old 19th Apr 2022, 22:57
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I have now found the source of the 6-week comment.


This stinks. Our MP must have know for quite a while. Did he choose to keep quiet, or was he told to keep quiet?

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Old 20th Apr 2022, 11:09
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Also mentioned in that clip is that work and development has been ongoing for several months. Have you noticed any contractors' vehicles etc visiting the site?
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Old 20th Apr 2022, 12:43
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Originally Posted by spekesoftly View Post
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Also mentioned in that clip is that work and development has been ongoing for several months. Have you noticed any contractors' vehicles etc visiting the site?
Not that I have noticed, but I am off main route.
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Old 20th Apr 2022, 18:36
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Well, it gets worse (if that could be at all possible). The centre is for 1500 males, not the 500 first implied.

Local MP met with Priti Patel this afternoon and submitted this letter. Here he is steering us to a judicial review. Anyone have any experience in this field?



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Old 20th Apr 2022, 22:00
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Funny how a similar scheme was deemed unsuitable in Ms Patel's constituency but that Linton IS suitable, when in actual fact, it is even more "remote"! Now THAT is NIMBYism writ large, not to mention breathtaking hypocrisy. 1500 young single males wandering freely.......no local police presence.......what could possibly go wrong! Why can't it be a secure facility at the very least? This is going to end in tears.

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Old 21st Apr 2022, 06:56
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As a former Linton pad-brat (and with contacts still in the area) the locals unequivocally hated the RAF being there...
... right up until it was announced that the Station was closing completely, and then it became the end of the world.


Frankly, I'd hope when the current plans are finished, they build a great-big ****-off Amazon distribution centre and a supermarket regional depot, plus a few thousand houses, on the airfield, just to piss off the locals.
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 07:07
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Originally Posted by Cyberhacker View Post
As a former Linton pad-brat (and with contacts still in the area) the locals unequivocally hated the RAF being there...
... right up until it was announced that the Station was closing completely, and then it became the end of the world.


Frankly, I'd hope when the current plans are finished, they build a great-big ****-off Amazon distribution centre and a supermarket regional depot, plus a few thousand houses, on the airfield, just to piss off the locals.
Thanks for that informed input.

Having served at linton and being a resident in the area for 20+ years I suspect that it was just you that the locals hated.

Tha RAF has been welcome here since the base was built.
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 10:48
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Nice to see you are willing to listen to other points of view/lived experiences..............
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 11:12
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Nice to see you are willing to listen to other points of view/lived experiences..............
Hah. Says the man not affected by the plans, who can't understand the 'xenophobic' objections of those who actually live there.

I do enjoy PPRuNe for the often contrary views of forumites! No doubt I'll catch myself out one day too.
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 11:13
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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
Nice to see you are willing to listen to other points of view/lived experiences..............
Always willing to listen to those who have a valid input. But...

Exactly how is this

Frankly, I'd hope when the current plans are finished, they build a great-big ****-off Amazon distribution centre and a supermarket regional depot, plus a few thousand houses, on the airfield, just to piss off the locals.


worth listening to?


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Old 21st Apr 2022, 11:32
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Also mentioned in that clip is that work and development has been ongoing for several months. Have you noticed any contractors' vehicles etc visiting the site?
Spoke to an on-base local this morning. Apparently Harris fencing is being erected in an area on camp around the blocks and encompassing the main car park and maple-leaf club. All block kitchens are under refurb, cookers being removed and microwaves installed etc.

Could someone with more knowledge on the subject say at what point in an asylum seeking process would an individual be given free-reign to wander around unhindered?
The govt. site indicates these men are "in the process of gaining right to remain" so to me that means it has not yet been finalized or granted, and could yet be rejected. So why are they free to roam?

Home Office "Thank you for applying for asylum here in the UK, whilst we conduct background checks, please don't wander too far from Linton"

2 months later by telephone:

Home Office : " I 'm sorry but your application has been rejected due to your fringe involvement with radical groups in the middle east. ...hello....hello...hello" - Seems he hung up.
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 11:57
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Hah. Says the man not affected by the plans, who can't understand the 'xenophobic' objections of those who actually live there.
Actually I can sympathise with those at Linton - the letter from the MP makes a sound case without resorting to scaremongering or cherry picking individual immigrants crimes.

The plan for Linton is massively flawed as is Patel's whole immigration policy - I think those in the area are right to object but it should be for the right reasons and not by 'echo-chamber' comments reflecting the lazy end of the intellectual argument.
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 12:25
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Actually I can sympathise with those at Linton - the letter from the MP makes a sound case without resorting to scaremongering or cherry picking individual immigrants crimes.

The plan for Linton is massively flawed as is Patel's whole immigration policy - I think those in the area are right to object but it should be for the right reasons and not by 'echo-chamber' comments reflecting the lazy end of the intellectual argument.
Without doubt Crab, the main problems stem from the complete "out of the blue" aspect to this, an MP who assures us he knew nothing of it, and the complete paucity of hard information other than:

- Upwards of 500 single males (this has now increased to 1500).
- No start date. This has now been clarified as within the next 6 weeks.
- suggestion that he "guests" were already processed and awaiting allocation. Clarified to they are still in the process and nothing has been decided as though their future.
-The secrecy and the way the locals have been treated has generated the fear.
- the area is not renowned for crime, not had anything serious in my tenure here. Similar sites elsewhere have seen crime rise and the 16 or so listed above are serious ones that the govt reassure us won't happen.
So why any surprise that people think the worst.

This is devastating for such a small community who will have a migrant population ratio of around 3:2 !
Furthermore it actually goes against Home Office's own guidance.
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 13:00
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I'm just glad I didn't vote for them - everything this Govt does is tainted and poorly thought out - comes from the top I'm afraid and Patel is only in the job because she will support everything BJ says.

I hope you get this turned around but it seems to be a fait accompli if the work has already started.
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 13:44
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I'm just glad I didn't vote for them - everything this Govt does is tainted and poorly thought out - comes from the top I'm afraid and Patel is only in the job because she will support everything BJ says.

I hope you get this turned around but it seems to be a fait accompli if the work has already started.
Yes, you're not wrong I fear. I have been working with Westminster and Scottish Government on other issues for many years now. The norm is they decide what they want to do and do it irrespective of the outcome and impact on us taxpayers and voters.

The biggest problem we face in getting a robust message across is that the whole issue is getting swamped by the Rwanda deal. Local press give one or two lines to Linton and then six paragraphs about Rwanda and the government handling of it. All we can do is make sure everyone who has an interest in this, or has a financial dog in the race living next to a military base (or former military base) realises that Linton is not going to be the first and last such centre.
I personally wouldn't plan on moving near somewhere pencilled in for closure, and if I had a house near to anywhere on the list I would be selling up now.

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Old 21st Apr 2022, 14:14
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Home Office "Thank you for applying for asylum here in the UK, whilst we conduct background checks, please don't wander too far from Linton"

2 months later by telephone:

Home Office : " I 'm sorry but your application has been rejected due to your fringe involvement with radical groups in the middle east. ...hello....hello...hello" - Seems he hung up.
Isn’t that the way it has worked for ages? Illegals/overstayers are discovered, told to report to officials on Tuesday … and are never seen again. That’s why UK is awash with Illegals.

Unless there’s somewhere suitable to put/confine them until the grindingly slow legal and administrative processes are complete, there are few other options. Indeed, one might just ignore Immigration, passports etc. completely, and just have an open door. Which is almost what UK has already, despite the efforts of the Home Office and Border Farce.

Do I have an answer? Certainly not, as I don’t have access to all the underlying legal and admin issues … including Human Rights and all the other bits of string that tie everyone’s hands in the overall scenario. But “Asylum Centre Linton” doesn’t strike me as a good answer if those sent there are ‘free range’.
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 14:44
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Perhaps we should set them busy re-building the stashed Tucano's.
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Old 21st Apr 2022, 15:09
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Lots of precedents. RAF Oakington was used as a similar "site" many years ago. Much money spent on upgrades by the Home Office to make it habitable'. Now demolished to provde hardcore for the new town of Northstowe .
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