Ukraine - implications for Russian military going forward

[Tartiflette Fan]

Originally Posted by Asturias56

Le but essentially if it's the same people on the other side all you're doing is stopping the fighting now but with a probability of renewed fighting in 10-20 years.

You start to think France v Germany - 1870, 1914, 1939

Can you explain how the "people in Germany " were the same in 1914 and 1939 ?

[pr00ne]

Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan

Can you explain how the "people in Germany " were the same in 1914 and 1939 ?

Fully agree. I was going to pose the same question. Plus they were a world apart in 1990 and even more so in 2022, especially since 24th February.

[tcinbg]

Can anyone suggest how we counter the nuclear capabilities of Russia. Putin does not care what the consequences are of launching a first strike against the West. Cutting off his button finger would not be sufficient, sure their are other fingers lined up behind him.

[MPN11]

Originally Posted by tcinbg

Can anyone suggest how we counter the nuclear capabilities of Russia. Putin does not care what the consequences are of launching a first strike against the West. Cutting off his button finger would not be sufficient, sure their are other fingers lined up behind him.

HE. Vlad the Great, calls the shots in every aspect. So he has all the cards in his hands, and really doesn’t care about anything except his power. Would he risk it? That’s the biggie.

So, anyone here voting for WW3? Or have a viable option?

[Imagegear]

The problem is that NATO is only a defensive structure and Vlad knows and is exploiting it.

The only thing that might have the possibility of succeeding would be a full scale conventional attack directly on Russia across multiple fronts..

This would require commitment by a significant number of nation states with everything they had. Yes, the possibility/probability of things going full nuclear would definitely be there, however this will be the outcome anyway if Russia remains unchecked. Even a first strike should not be off the table at this stage, since we know where this is all going.

Naturally China would just be a side show because there would be no winners.

Best make your peace before it kicks off, the Lord preserve us.

IG

[MPN11]

Even a first strike should not be off the table at this stage, since we know where this is all going.

And where would one 'lob' that? Or several, with the inevitable RF response? And that is Putin's trump card ... we, the West, dare to escalate to Nuclear and he knows that.

[etudiant]

Originally Posted by Imagegear

The problem is that NATO is only a defensive structure and Vlad knows and is exploiting it.

The only thing that might have the possibility of succeeding would be a full scale conventional attack directly on Russia across multiple fronts..

This would require commitment by a significant number of nation states with everything they had. Yes, the possibility/probability of things going full nuclear would definitely be there, however this will be the outcome anyway if Russia remains unchecked. Even a first strike should not be off the table at this stage, since we know where this is all going.

Naturally China would just be a side show because there would be no winners.

Best make your peace before it kicks off, the Lord preserve us.

IG

I don't think that would be good crisis management, to attempt to resolve a local problem by opening a much bigger can of worms.
Imho, the Biden administration is acting with commendable clarity, trying hard to keep this contained, penalizing Russia severely for its attack and providing generous aid to Ukraine, but not participating directly.
What the end result will be is unknown, other than that all parties involved will have brutal losses, both human as well as material..

[Asturias56]

Absolutely no reason to talk up first strikes etc etc

A nasty ground war in E Europe that may go on for a long time is no reason to start dusting off Dr Strangelove tactics