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Ukraine - implications for Russian military going forward

Old 5th Apr 2022, 09:59
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
Le but essentially if it's the same people on the other side all you're doing is stopping the fighting now but with a probability of renewed fighting in 10-20 years.

You start to think France v Germany - 1870, 1914, 1939
Can you explain how the "people in Germany " were the same in 1914 and 1939 ?
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Old 5th Apr 2022, 11:53
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan View Post
Can you explain how the "people in Germany " were the same in 1914 and 1939 ?
Fully agree. I was going to pose the same question. Plus they were a world apart in 1990 and even more so in 2022, especially since 24th February.
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Old 5th Apr 2022, 15:31
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Can anyone suggest how we counter the nuclear capabilities of Russia. Putin does not care what the consequences are of launching a first strike against the West. Cutting off his button finger would not be sufficient, sure their are other fingers lined up behind him.
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Old 5th Apr 2022, 16:01
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Originally Posted by tcinbg View Post
Can anyone suggest how we counter the nuclear capabilities of Russia. Putin does not care what the consequences are of launching a first strike against the West. Cutting off his button finger would not be sufficient, sure their are other fingers lined up behind him.
HE. Vlad the Great, calls the shots in every aspect. So he has all the cards in his hands, and really doesnít care about anything except his power. Would he risk it? Thatís the biggie.

So, anyone here voting for WW3? Or have a viable option?
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Old 5th Apr 2022, 16:18
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The problem is that NATO is only a defensive structure and Vlad knows and is exploiting it.

The only thing that might have the possibility of succeeding would be a full scale conventional attack directly on Russia across multiple fronts..

This would require commitment by a significant number of nation states with everything they had. Yes, the possibility/probability of things going full nuclear would definitely be there, however this will be the outcome anyway if Russia remains unchecked. Even a first strike should not be off the table at this stage, since we know where this is all going.

Naturally China would just be a side show because there would be no winners.

Best make your peace before it kicks off, the Lord preserve us.

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Old 5th Apr 2022, 17:24
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Even a first strike should not be off the table at this stage, since we know where this is all going.
And where would one 'lob' that? Or several, with the inevitable RF response? And that is Putin's trump card ... we, the West, dare to escalate to Nuclear and he knows that.
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Old 5th Apr 2022, 22:02
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Originally Posted by Imagegear View Post
The problem is that NATO is only a defensive structure and Vlad knows and is exploiting it.

The only thing that might have the possibility of succeeding would be a full scale conventional attack directly on Russia across multiple fronts..

This would require commitment by a significant number of nation states with everything they had. Yes, the possibility/probability of things going full nuclear would definitely be there, however this will be the outcome anyway if Russia remains unchecked. Even a first strike should not be off the table at this stage, since we know where this is all going.

Naturally China would just be a side show because there would be no winners.

Best make your peace before it kicks off, the Lord preserve us.

IG
I don't think that would be good crisis management, to attempt to resolve a local problem by opening a much bigger can of worms.
Imho, the Biden administration is acting with commendable clarity, trying hard to keep this contained, penalizing Russia severely for its attack and providing generous aid to Ukraine, but not participating directly.
What the end result will be is unknown, other than that all parties involved will have brutal losses, both human as well as material..
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Old 6th Apr 2022, 08:10
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Absolutely no reason to talk up first strikes etc etc

A nasty ground war in E Europe that may go on for a long time is no reason to start dusting off Dr Strangelove tactics
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