With the Landrover Defender ending, do you think the Ineos Grenadier will have a roll
"over half of all Landrovers built are still on the road - but the AA expect to get to them before dark"
Land Rover is an iconic brand, has gone through several product cycles, has had powerful corporate owners and yet poor reliability remains the constant concern.
Given the undeniably excellent performance of the product, it seems reliability should also be achievable, given adequate emphasis.
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The only reason the long wheelbase Landrover is a 4x4 is the turning circle is so crap you end up going off road to turn it round.
When I first started driving Landies in the '60s there was nothing else comparable around. They worked, apart from the half-shafts breaking, because they were simple, as most things built in a blacksmith's workshop are. When Toyotas came along, they put LR in the shade. I believe the first Range Rovers were fairly reliable, although I never drove one. It seems that they couldn't make anything that was in any way complicated, reliably.
Its basically an immediate post -war design and the reliability is good - for that time. problem has been a lack of investment to upgrade - but then it sold well so why bother.
IIRC when Tata took over Jaguar LR they discovered the management disappeared before lunch on Friday and weren't around at all on Mondays - in other words a classic UK manufacturing operation.
IIRC when Tata took over Jaguar LR they discovered the management disappeared before lunch on Friday and weren't around at all on Mondays - in other words a classic UK manufacturing operation.
The UAS students borrowed our Air Traffic Landrover for a night exercise and returned it to its spot next to the tower . Next morning I opened the drivers door and it fell off.
I then started up and set off minus door and the steering wheel was no longer connected to the front wheels .
I then started up and set off minus door and the steering wheel was no longer connected to the front wheels .
With any wind, the gutless piece of junk we had on 1312 Flt at MPA would actually slow down when changed into top gear whilst we were driving as fast as possible down the RW to the aircraft when called to cockpit readiness! All the blunties had relatively modern vehicles, but the aircrew had to use knackered old heaps.
I went back a couple of years later as Sqn Ldr (Air) and was appalled to find that the situation hadn't improved. So I raised the issue at the next 'Theatre Vehicle Liability Meeting', pointing out that it was totally unacceptable for AD scrambles to be compromised in this way. I was assured that it would be 'reviewed'....I'll bet it wasn't. I also asked why relatively new Landrovers had a stencil reading 'This vehicle is not to be used off-road' on the dashboard and was told that it was some warranty issue. What idiot agreed to that?
Having had experience of the 'Six Pack' at Incirlik, I recommended that the flight should be given a Defender 110 Double Cab as the next vehicle. I'll be that never happened either!
I went back a couple of years later as Sqn Ldr (Air) and was appalled to find that the situation hadn't improved. So I raised the issue at the next 'Theatre Vehicle Liability Meeting', pointing out that it was totally unacceptable for AD scrambles to be compromised in this way. I was assured that it would be 'reviewed'....I'll bet it wasn't. I also asked why relatively new Landrovers had a stencil reading 'This vehicle is not to be used off-road' on the dashboard and was told that it was some warranty issue. What idiot agreed to that?
Having had experience of the 'Six Pack' at Incirlik, I recommended that the flight should be given a Defender 110 Double Cab as the next vehicle. I'll be that never happened either!
Just very puzzling.
Land Rover is an iconic brand, has gone through several product cycles, has had powerful corporate owners and yet poor reliability remains the constant concern.
Given the undeniably excellent performance of the product, it seems reliability should also be achievable, given adequate emphasis.
Land Rover is an iconic brand, has gone through several product cycles, has had powerful corporate owners and yet poor reliability remains the constant concern.
Given the undeniably excellent performance of the product, it seems reliability should also be achievable, given adequate emphasis.
https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/w.../#post-4819669
There was a long thread on exactly this topic on a car forum if it interests you.
https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/w.../#post-4819669
https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/w.../#post-4819669
It suggests that underinvestment remained a problem through both the BMW as well as the Tata ownership.
We should be recieving Oshkosh JLTVs - proper protected mobility with extensive weapons potential. But politics and DE&S prevarication has put a spanner in the works……
The range of discussion is so wide that I cannot imagine who "we " is in this case. Care to specify - and with a little more background if possible.?
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I drove a Lightweight with a short throw gearbox once, the gear lever had snapped off so we drove it to MT with a pair of mole grips clamped to the stub.
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Stanley memory. The BCU Landy lost its prop-shaft on the airfield grassy bit. Replacement vehicles were on a priority list, and the BCU one was way down (“ATC has others they could use”). My super BCU Cpl walked to MT, gathered the necessary bits and fixed it at the ‘roadside’. Where did we find such men back in ‘83? And where are they now?
We've only just got rid of Panther. Last thing we need is another 4x4 on steroids when we can't even get a workable APC to the start line at the minute.
Sorry to say it but Rover's a dead dog. I owned every mark from I to III except the forward control, each mark gave progressively more trouble as they were improved. Still regard them with affection the way one regards an old dog. I think the Ineos is overpriced for what it is. Can't beat a Toyota pickup, with or without a pair of fifties mounted on the back.
TF, ‘we’ as in the UK Army under the MRVP project (sone 700+ vehicles initially). JLTV was the preferred option, but the delays to Boxer Main Gate / issues with Ajax pushed the decision into the maelstrom of 2019 GE, Covid and the long delayed Defence Review - all conspiring to push the final decision to the right. I’ve had a go in it at DVD Millbrook and I must say I agree with Top Gear….https://www.topgear.com/car-news/big...ew-war-machine. It makes the LR seem fragile andelderly….
I recall a Rock LR stuck by the side of a woodland track during an RAFG exercise in the mid '70's . Bonnet was up and a Sgt was buried underneath as far his waist muttering obscenities.
" What's the problem Sergeant ? " Asked a passing Regiment Junior Officer..
"F*cking F*ckers F*CKED! "
A succinct response under the circumstances..
" What's the problem Sergeant ? " Asked a passing Regiment Junior Officer..
"F*cking F*ckers F*CKED! "
A succinct response under the circumstances..