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MOD require escape and evasion trainers and para training aircraft

Old 14th Jan 2022, 23:39
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MOD require escape and evasion trainers and para training aircraft

More details here, it looks staff are in demand

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/mod-...ning-provider/

Para training aircraft details.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/brit...hute-training/

it’s indicative of the cuts that such basic tasks need to be farmed out.

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Which -available - civil registered aircraft is going to meet the extant RTS requirements? I'm presuming the Falcons drop aircraft already does, in which case you'd have thought they would have extended that contract and not bothered with a new one. Wouldn't be the first time.
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A couple of these spring to mind, maybe even this one???



RTS? Was OK in WW2


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RTS? Was OK in WW2
Agreed, but I was referring to the specific statement in their requirements doc ​​​​​​​
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"What are the requirements for the aircraft you ask? Good question."

Apparently a rather random selection of the most basic avionics but no mention of number of engines!
Amazing!
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I understand there is a C-130J (ZH879) just landed at Marshall's in Cambridge which might meet the spec.....
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I understand there is a C-130J (ZH879) just landed at Marshall's in Cambridge which might meet the spec.....
ORAC, while I appreciate that your post was tongue-in-cheek it does touch on an attitude within the MOD that any capability can be made ‘better’ (ie: cheaper) by civvies (normally ex-mil) under contract. This is despite the fact that the military version can be used for other tasks outside of the narrow contract. So an RAF owned & operated C130 which could do the para training and a host of other tasks in war and peace is less preferable to a civil-run light turboprop that can only be used for throwing soldiers out of. Viewed in isolation the latter is better/ cheaper than the former at that one task, so the former will always lose out.

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I’d have thought a couple of ex US mil Shorts Sherpas would fit the bill, but under 5 mil to provide the aircraft, fire cover and the hours, it doesn’t seem to have a lot of meat on the bone assuming the hours are part of the contract.
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For the para-dropping, the RAF have had a pair of Skyvans and a Dornier 228 on lease for many years from Summit Air of Canada. They are based at Brize Norton and are used by No. 1 Parachute Training School and the Red Devils Parachute Display Team.

The ITT is presumably simply a regular (3-yearly?) renewal, with the option to award it elsewhere if someone other than Summit came up with a better offer.
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How about a couple of Shorts Sherpas based at Teesside? Near to the Catterick ranges, used to quasi military movements and near to the biggest military base in Europe. Win win? Easily able to host much bigger aircraft if needed.
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How about a couple of Shorts Sherpas based at Teesside? Near to the Catterick ranges, used to quasi military movements and near to the biggest military base in Europe. Win win? Easily able to host much bigger aircraft if needed.
I think Ramstein & Vogelwey would be an order of magnitude bigger than Catterick. And who would want to live in the poverty-stricken North?
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I think Ramstein & Vogelwey would be an order of magnitude bigger than Catterick. And who would want to live in the poverty-stricken North?
Steady on old man, it's really not that bad!
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Have you been to Richmond?
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Originally Posted by roger4 View Post
For the para-dropping, the RAF have had a pair of Skyvans and a Dornier 228 on lease for many years from Summit Air of Canada. They are based at Brize Norton and are used by No. 1 Parachute Training School and the Red Devils Parachute Display Team.

The ITT is presumably simply a regular (3-yearly?) renewal, with the option to award it elsewhere if someone other than Summit came up with a better offer.
And Summit replaced the previous long line of Hunting/Babcock/Invicta who provided this service with a pair of Skyvans (Although I think they used three aircraft over the years). One of them was ex-Argentine Coastguard!
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And who would want to live in the poverty-stricken North?
That attitude is why everything gets put in the south. If contracts & jobs were spread more widely about the country then a few more people would get to appreciate the lower house prices and easier access to GPs (for example) that those of us who don’t live in the overcrowded, overpriced bottom half of the nation get to enjoy.
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Germany recently acquired the Lockheed Martin M28 for the para training role. Perhaps an option for the UK also.
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Why is there a need for a para trainer when there are no aircraft that can make operational para drops once the Herc has disappeared?
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Why is there a need for a para trainer when there are no aircraft that can make operational para drops once the Herc has disappeared?
The A400M will be able to, but you know that.
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No reference to the SERE contract? Too many scars?
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