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RAF museum latest loan aircraft available

Includes the Argosy, I can’t imagine many places being able to house that indoors. Surprised to see the prone meatbox and 188 listed too.

https://warbirdsnews.com/aviation-mu...ollection.html


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Itís always a sobering moment when you spot an aircraft youíve flown (the Jetstream) in a list of museum aircraft...!
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This from the link above

" The RAF Museum’s purpose is to share the story of the Royal Air Force – its past, present, and future – using the narratives of its people and collections to engage, inspire and encourage learning. The RAF Museum is pleased to announce that a selection of our aircraft will now be available to borrow for display.The aim is to make aircraft from our national collection more publicly accessible, to enable greater exploration of their stories, and to build stronger partnerships between international, national, and regional organizations to support knowledge exchange. Potential borrowers will be able to loan aircraft or request a selection from the list, to be displayed in any appropriate form. The program is open to Expressions of Interest from any accredited international, national or regional museum (or organizations working towards accreditation). Successful borrowers will share information about the RAF Museum alongside the displayed airframe(s), while the RAF Museum will reciprocate by promoting the loanee’s activities too."

Given the aircraft are already publicly accessible, this doesn't really make sense. So you have to ask the question as to why, and what lies behind the rationale of putting the types listed on the open market as it were .

Be an "interesting" exercise moving the Argosy, if it happens, from its location at Cosford.
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It’s always a sobering moment when you spot an aircraft you’ve flown (the Jetstream) in a list of museum aircraft...!
I felt that way years ago when I was posted the Cosford and found experimental aircraft in the museum that were contemporary with me at RAE.
I had similar feelings about the retirement of the Tornado. I remember it when it was a shiny little model in our wind tunnel at the ARA. Likewise Concorde, I remember that as a wind tunnel model too.
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A big change from the 'we want one of every type the RAF flew' collection policy they had in the 80s and 90s. - the Ventura was acquired in the 80s and has lain in storage ever since. The Valetta has equally been stored for a long time
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Isnít that the only complete Valetta thatís left? I was hoping for that one to end up in a hangar at Cosford at some point.
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I wonder if the idea for the 188 is for it to go to the museum at Filton considering it flew from that airfield? It would seem a shame to lose it from Cosford though.
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Isnít that the only complete Valetta thatís left? I was hoping for that one to end up in a hangar at Cosford at some point.
Yup, and only complete original Balliol/Sea Balliol - I'd like to see that at Yeovilton, but it would probably just go into storage. It's noticeable that of the 'restored' ones, it's many of the experimental and training airframes that are up for disposal
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Originally Posted by NAROBS View Post
Thank Christmas the list doesn't include the Stranraer.
This just seems to be the Cosford list - perhaps more to come/go from Hendon......
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IWM Duxford disposals as opposed to loans

https://www.iwm.org.uk/sites/default..._disposals.pdf
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The “Climax generator” sounds interesting! Shades of Space Odyssey. 😳

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https://www.iwm.org.uk/sites/default..._disposals.pdf

Well, if they don’t know the difference between a Centurion ARV and AVRE, perhaps they should get rid of it
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Originally Posted by Davef68 View Post
This just seems to be the Cosford list - perhaps more to come/go from Hendon......
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https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/app/upl...ember-2021.pdf

The aircraft proposed for transfer are detailed below:
RAFM accession number
Object name Reason for transfer
1989/0305/A Auster C.4 Relevance
85/A/8 Avro 707C Duplication
84/A/1168 Bristol Sycamore HR.14 Duplication
1996/0171/A De Havilland D.H.60M Gipsy Moth Relevance
79/A/1729 Fairchild Cornell Mk.II Completeness
1986/0038/A Gloster Meteor T.7mod Duplication
T110386 Hang Glider (disassembled,civilian) Relevance
82/A/995 Lockheed SP-2H Neptune Relevance/Condition
84/A/888 North American B-25J Mitchell Relevance
1990/0692/A North American P-51D Mustang Completeness
1990/1040/A Slingsby Type 21B Sedbergh TX.1 Relevance/Duplication
84/A/1170 Supermarine Type 517 Relevance
78/A/612 C.A.S.A 352L Relevance
69/A/218 De Havilland Dominie Mk. II Completeness/Condition
1998/0219/A De Havilland Vampire FB.5 Completeness/Condition
1987/0025/A Folland Gnat F.1 Relevance
1998/0220/A Hawker P.1121 Completeness/Condition/Relevance
71/A/933 Lakes Waterbird Completeness/Condition/Relevance
70/A/352 Morane-Saulnier BB Relevance/Condition/Completeness
83/A/246 Slingsby Type 30 Prefect Relevance/Duplication
So get your bids in now..

https://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/researc...and-disposals/

  • Free gift/transfer to another museum
  • Exchange of objects between museums
  • Free gift/transfer to another institution/organisation within the public domain
  • Return to donor
  • Sale (only in extraordinary circumstances once the options above have been explored and following consultation with donors, stakeholders and the museum community)
  • Destruction (only when an object is deteriorated beyond any future use or needs to be disposed of for reasons of Health & Safety)
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It’s about time that those running he museum decide whether they want a credible museum telling the history of the RAF or a bouncy castle theme park.
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The 707C cannot be a duplicate as only one was built.
Their other airframe is a 707A
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In the early 70's the move was towards it being the core of a UK National Aviation Museum. Hence such as the Do 24.
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Not the only remaining Valetta. As far as I am aware, the Flixton museum still has VX 580. I've not been for several years, and it's stored outside, so no idea of condition. However, the Cosford one isn't in great shape either,
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There was a Valetta (WD159) in the RAF Colerne Museum up until 1976 when the collection was dispersed due to the station being chopped in the latest round of defence cuts. I think it ended up being given to the SAS hooligans for training purposes. We also had the prone-position Meteor and ex-Danish air force Catalina (mentioned above).
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Originally Posted by Davef68 View Post
Yup, and only complete original Balliol/Sea Balliol - I'd like to see that at Yeovilton, but it would probably just go into storage. It's noticeable that of the 'restored' ones, it's many of the experimental and training airframes that are up for disposal
There's also a Sea Balliol in the Sri Lankan Air Force Museum. Although to be fair it's a bit of trek to see it.

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Originally Posted by Herod View Post
Not the only remaining Valetta. As far as I am aware, the Flixton museum still has VX 580. I've not been for several years, and it's stored outside, so no idea of condition. However, the Cosford one isn't in great shape either,
Thanks, I wasn't aware of that one. Somehow I thought that it was only a cockpit section.
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