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Old 30th Nov 2021, 04:49
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Originally Posted by nomilk View Post
Not that much pressure left then that the UK could use, since the aid budget has been cut already.
11 billion pounds on foreign aid.

China
India

And would you believe it, Pakistan, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Yemen and Nigeria, Syria, pretty much where the biggest foreign aid is spent, and where the refugees come from.

Don't forget Bob Geldof was raising funds for Ethiopia in the early 80's , nothing has changed .
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Old 30th Nov 2021, 08:03
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Angry We can hope

We can hope that this problem will be solved, soon, because when the law fails, people will be tempted to take the law into their own hands.........just like the illegal immigrants are doing now. Asylum Law is anachronistic in these days of economic migrants who have done nothing to improve their own countries. If the proposed surveillance aircraft is crewed by Frontex personnel then it will only assist the safe departures from the beaches of France by alerting the French Navy to safely escort the dinghies to the mid channel border with UK.

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Old 30th Nov 2021, 09:36
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Definitely time this thread found itís way to Jet Blast. Any military aviation content long gone.
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Old 30th Nov 2021, 10:05
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Military Aviation depends on Political Support

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Definitely time this thread found it’s way to Jet Blast. Any military aviation content long gone.
No. Military Aviation funding and actions depend on home country support.
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Old 30th Nov 2021, 11:11
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A330 every night from Manston to Western Sahara. Have a nice life.
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Old 30th Nov 2021, 11:35
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If only we were still members of the Dublin convention !
The fact we left it matters not one jot.

It still applies in France, and means that any claim for asylum should have been made in the first safe country they arrived in.
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Old 30th Nov 2021, 11:36
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
Definitely time this thread found itís way to Jet Blast. Any military aviation content long gone.
Nope. Still relevant to defending our borders using Sentinel, RPAS etc.
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Old 30th Nov 2021, 11:38
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Originally Posted by Ninthace View Post
If you look at FR24, from time to time, you will see a UK Coastguard aircraft flying racetracks over the Channel.
Money well spent - obviously...
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Old 30th Nov 2021, 12:04
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Originally Posted by Vortex Hoop View Post
The fact we left it matters not one jot.

It still applies in France, and means that any claim for asylum should have been made in the first safe country they arrived in.
The Dublin regulation provided a system for deciding how applications for asylum should be processed within the EU. If an asylum seeker chooses to leave the EU (which they are perfectly entitled to do), then they are de-facto no longer applying for asylum in the EU and the regulation does not apply. From the UKs point of view, the Dublin regulation gave us a legal route that we could use to return some asylum seekers to other EU states. The fact that we left, removes this possibility which is why it is relevant now. If I recall correctly, one of the leave campaign's reasons for leaving the EU was that it would give us back control over our borders. Given that, it seems odd that the same politicians are now whinging about France not doing enough; isn't this what they asked for?
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Old 30th Nov 2021, 12:26
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Originally Posted by Vortex Hoop View Post
Nope. Still relevant to defending our borders using Sentinel, RPAS etc.
If that was what being discussed I would concur but the thread has deteriorated to the rights, wrongs and barrack room lawyers interpretation of laws and international conventions on refugees and migration with a leavening of input from arm chair generals
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Old 30th Nov 2021, 15:43
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Problem is that the Border Force and the armed services have to operate in that legal environment Ninthace.................... it's not simple at all (whatever some people in Downing Street wish)
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Old 30th Nov 2021, 16:06
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It's actually come down to the Military/Police has absolutely nothing to offer if the political environment is FUBAR. Just like many previous foreign wars. Vietnam should have taught us this.
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Old 30th Nov 2021, 18:29
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Why don't use Australia's experience and transport any person that can not prove it's refugee status to some nice place for "processing"? Falklands or Farroe islands sound nice, especialy this time of year. And any country that objects to those conditions is more than welcome to pick them up.
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