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Old 13th Jul 2021, 06:54
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Originally Posted by brakedwell View Post
I almost went to Midway at the end of my Britannia course world trainer in 1966. We planned to fly nonstop from Guam to Honolulu with a refuelling stop at Midway if required. It was very close, but we just had enough fuel for the direct flight, which was a shame historically.
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Old 13th Jul 2021, 08:32
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Old 13th Jul 2021, 09:50
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As early as that! The Britannia world trip, including the odd day off, took exactly two weeks.
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Old 13th Jul 2021, 13:46
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Two weeks, not bad for the old Yacht, I bet the aircraft wouldn't do it that quickly.
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Old 13th Jul 2021, 16:33
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I cannot understand the hatred of CGI, without it you wouldn’t have a film
There is nothing wrong with CGI. What is wrong is how it is used to produce something totally unrealistic. As stated, the aircraft are FAR too close together. "Red Tails" was similar. I suppose they think it makes it far more exciting to those "not in the know" but for those who are it is simply laughable and spoils the whole film;.
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Old 13th Jul 2021, 17:30
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I suppose the original Dambusters was ok then, except when they filmed the Lancs at 60ft it looked even higher so shot the aircraft scenes at 30ft.
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Old 13th Jul 2021, 18:24
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I got about 20 minutes into the new version and deleted it. There was one particularly annoying ‘maverick’ pilot who didn’t play by the rules. Seriously annoying.
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Old 13th Jul 2021, 18:33
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Originally Posted by Groundloop View Post
There is nothing wrong with CGI. What is wrong is how it is used to produce something totally unrealistic. As stated, the aircraft are FAR too close together. "Red Tails" was similar. I suppose they think it makes it far more exciting to those "not in the know" but for those who are it is simply laughable and spoils the whole film;.
Totally agree. Good special effects - regardless of how it's done - shouldn't attract attention to themselves as you are watching. It should seamlessly blend into the movie plot, then later on you reflect back on the movie and think 'how the hell did they film that scene?'. One of my all time favorites is the scene in "Terminator 2" - where the 'bad' terminator jumps the motorcycle out of the building and grabs onto the helicopter. Watching it, it just seems part of the movie - later on 'how did they do that', then watching it again you can dissect the different shots that were spliced together to make the scene.
In contrast, because of this thread I re-watched the 2019 Midway remake last night (I have it on Blu-Ray 4k - most of the time 4k is amazing, but for this movie it may actually be a determent by emphasizing the falseness of the CGI). The plot isn't bad (aside from some horribly unrealistic details), but so much of the CGI special effects had my mind screaming "THAT'S SO FAKE". Contrast that to say "Avatar" - where you can watch most of the movie without ever thinking about the fact that 10 ft. tall blue humanoids don't really exist...
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Old 13th Jul 2021, 19:36
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Only three of the 200 nation states (countries) extant in 1942 had an effective aircraft carrier. What a coincidence that two of the three nations that had aircraft carriers would go to war with what was an extremely rare weapon and be involved in a pivotal battle. Just a coincidence I guess..
Conclusion: Technology precedes and foretells histrionics.

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Old 14th Jul 2021, 00:34
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What's worse was that the torpedoes that the TBDs were using were crap - routinely either detonating when they hit the water, or turning off course. So not only were the torpedo squadrons unlikely to return, they were unlikely to do any real damage. In a sense, being decoys to allow the dive bombers to attack relatively unmolested was the best they could have hoped for.
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U.S. submariners in WWII found themselves in the identical situation as their torpedoes were ineffective in the early 1940s. The USN spectacularly dropped the ball on torpedo development entering WWII.
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Old 14th Jul 2021, 05:07
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The failure of US torpedoes in the early part of WW2 was an epic fail of gigantic proportions.
It is a textbook example of bureaucratic incompetence.
”Run Silent Run Deep” is a good read.
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Old 14th Jul 2021, 09:10
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My only failing on the CGI front was why everything appeared to burst into flames when hit and normally the port engine or wing.
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Old 14th Jul 2021, 12:32
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Tuk,

Indeed the Mark XIV Torpedo had major problems....the background to why it had the problems it did....and the absolute refusal of those responsible for its pre-War design and testing to accept there were problems with the Torpedo and who blamed the problems on the Sub Crews...makes for interesting reading

You would think the UK Mod was running the show back then when you compare the attitudes and efforts to cover up systemic problems with aircraft in the way the US Navy safely sitting in Stateside Billets blamed operational crews.

Admiral Lockwood led the way in trying to fix the problems and deserves a lot of credit for his leadership of the Australian based Submarine operation.


https://www.historynet.com/us-torped...rld-war-ii.htm
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Old 14th Jul 2021, 13:27
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OP, thanks for the heads up. Watched it on the Cinema app, and I'd echo those who said it was well made but perhaps for a less critical audience than found here. At least as a remake it wasn't a complete mess-up of the original as was that of The Italian Job. That was unforgiveable!
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Old 14th Jul 2021, 13:37
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I wouldn't class myself as a film snob & enjoy a mindless action film as much as the next guy.
But I found Midway completely unwatchable, it's almost as bad as pearl harbour.
Just my personal opinion of course
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Old 14th Jul 2021, 18:21
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One thing you didn’t get was people smoking in Submarines underwater.

Greyhound is another good film
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