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Old 10th Jul 2021, 17:10
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Lol, pun intended, for each acronym there can be up to ten different meanings
As I found out when we set up the UKCAOC, so many different mission specialisations, plus engineering and supply and others, all using the same acronyms for different things. I had a spreadsheet just to remind so as not to use the wrong one rather than spelling it out when sending out a document.
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Old 10th Jul 2021, 19:47
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Battlespace is the one that gets me.
I rather grew up with that one.. What was it before and did it have the same connotations?
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Old 10th Jul 2021, 19:53
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Mission creep seems to have crept into civvy business parlance amongst the usual gibberish-spouting would-be high fliers...
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Old 10th Jul 2021, 20:54
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Once we acquired a VSO who was heavily into management speak. Before he was in post, our CO, a very clever lady, invited him for a briefing about what we did. I still remember her introducing him to our "product lines".
Later on we had management red in tooth and claw. There was the never to be forgotten meeting with the boss when management plans were introduced and everyone had to have mission and a vision statement. It went along the lines of:
"The AOC has his vision"
"Yes Boss"
"And the CO has her vision"
"Yes Boss"
"And I, I have my vision"
"Yes Boss"
"And you Ninthace"
"Don't tell me sir, I get to hear voices"
He being an Engineer, it was entirely lost on him and a subsequent quip about raising an army and driving the English out of France probably didn't help.
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Old 10th Jul 2021, 21:15
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So you didn’t get burnt at the stake by your own side?
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Old 10th Jul 2021, 21:49
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I rather grew up with that one.. What was it before and did it have the same connotations?
i would say battlefield, now I know battlespace is supposed to be all signing all dancing air, sea and land combined force, but battlefield also incorporated all three in combined operations such as Normandy or the Far East, the technology may have improved on how information was passed and is more fluid, but it was still a combined operation with troops on the ground able to call in air power or naval gunfire support. And let’s face it, the amount of assets you would bring to a modern fight is a drop in the ocean compared to WW2.


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Old 10th Jul 2021, 23:22
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Nutty, from an Air delivered precision guided weapon aspect (Gobbledegook!), whether the launch platform be submersed, surface or airborne, the number of assets needed today to acheive the same effect as WWII is also a drop in the ocean.
At the same time, in line with the thread, a major threat to security then was the transparent wall cleansing engineering technician observing confidential military battlespace operations involving warfighters and battlespace managers attempting to deliver kinetic effects that would s shape the immediate battlespace to coalition better effects.
(The window cleaner saw where the bombers were going to drop the bombs to help the war effort!)

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Old 10th Jul 2021, 23:28
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Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever View Post
The Canadian Armed Forces has a manual of abbreviations. The first abbreviation listed in the official manual of abbreviations is the abbreviation for abbreviation; ABVN

My all time favourite example of MILSPEAK, however was an initiative by the USAF to designate broken aircraft as being subject to an “unscheduled unserviceabilty”
I once mentioned to the (ex-mil) CFI that I always found INTXN confusing - didn't know whether it meant intersection or intoxication. He said that since I learned to fly at Br**** it probably was the same for me :-)
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Yet another article in praise of efficient communication - https://wavellroom.com/2021/02/12/it...ings-rhetoric/
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'Outwith'. Perfectly good and commonly used Scottish word..
Interesting. I have spent a lot of time in Scotland ('70s to '90s) but do not recall hearing this used; it obviously then just seemed to be part of the local language and appropriate. However, I bet that its current usage in 'management speak' is not with due deference to the language of those north of the border!
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Old 11th Jul 2021, 11:05
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
i would say battlefield, now I know battlespace is supposed to be all signing all dancing air, sea and land combined force, but battlefield also incorporated all three in combined operations such as Normandy or the Far East, the technology may have improved on how information was passed and is more fluid, but it was still a combined operation with troops on the ground able to call in air power or naval gunfire support. And let’s face it, the amount of assets you would bring to a modern fight is a drop in the ocean compared to WW2.


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Not sure battlefield quite cuts it in my book. A battlespace can be in space, in the air, on the ground, at sea, in cyberspace, in people's heads or any combination thereof, depending on the objective.
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Old 11th Jul 2021, 11:50
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Old 11th Jul 2021, 15:04
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When i hear "Battle Space", I always think of this...
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Old 11th Jul 2021, 15:14
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I just hope our current SecDef hasn't seen post 33 yet. Think how much money could be saved if we bought this stuff off the shelf.....
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Old 11th Jul 2021, 22:36
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When I had to ride herd on squadron correspondence, I became familiar with the DICNAVAB
It used to bother me that neither BOHICA nor DILLIGAS were featured as official abbreviations, because along with FUBAR, those were the most commonly used ones on a day to day basis.
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Old 11th Jul 2021, 22:43
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Not sure battlefield quite cuts it in my book. A battlespace can be in space, in the air, on the ground, at sea, in cyberspace, in people's heads or any combination thereof, depending on the objective.
Or your front doorstep when you’re late home from the pub and the missus stayed up…..
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Old 11th Jul 2021, 23:13
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What’s the penis appreciation academy got to do with it?
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Old 12th Jul 2021, 13:18
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Old 12th Jul 2021, 13:37
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Stakeholders.... I mean for forks sake..
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"Stakeholders", yes. Buffy was one of them.
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