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Afghanistan 2021 Onwards

Old 12th Aug 2021, 00:46
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The US intelligence community is reportedly giving the the Ghani regime 90 days before Kabul is overrun.

A US supported government that is monstrously corrupt and riddled with incompetence and nepotism rapidly falls after the US leaves. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it, the only difference is it will be Blackhawks instead of Hueys evacuating the embassy......
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 01:40
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
In fact many of the Taliban positively WANT to be back in 7th Century Arabia..................
we don’t always agree, but that made me laugh mate.
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 12:36
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Some others are reporting Kabul will fall in weeks ? But all reports are in agreement . It is when , not if Kabul falls again .

The support of the Khans and Stans for the Taliban has created a problem . The biggest irony will be when the Taliban seek to reclaim historical Afghanistan from the Areas that the British and Russians carved away from the old Afghanistan borders . Maybe the Russian troops and allies will protect some of the northern Stans for a while . But the Fakirs are playing a long game . They will wait and watch .

The Fakirs will soon be running the show again and partying like it is 1499 . They will be offering free flying lessons from tall buildings in Kabul and public entertainment events in the stadiums once again . Attendance will be compulsory. As the French say “the more things change the more they stay the same “ .


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Old 12th Aug 2021, 13:57
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This is all about money and drugs. The Taliban are just the indoctrinated foot soldiers living a lie brought about by the powerful crime cartels in Iran and mainly Pakistan. It includes those powerful individuals who gave Osama protection. This is no different from Pablo Escobar and Columbia, FARC, the Columbian State and the US fight against Cocaine. We may have saved the lives of soldiers by withdrawing, but we will lose more lives on the streets of our towns and cities, through Heroin based crime. The vacuum of authority will also allow extremist views to grow again and we will probably be back bombing in 20 years time.
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 14:35
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Originally Posted by fitliker View Post
Some others are reporting Kabul will fall in weeks ? But all reports are in agreement . It is when , not if Kabul falls again .
They are much better trained and equipped now than before thanks to all those Western Military training courses and equipment - so we've done a good job of hastening the take-over
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 15:09
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Why didn't we just napalm all their poppy farms?
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 15:15
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Why didn't we just napalm all their poppy farms?
If it is that obvious, why do you think?
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 15:23
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To not upset our -until very recently- local partners in the fight against the Taliban.

Having trained and equipped incompetent local forces seems to be massively backfiring now.
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 16:10
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Originally Posted by Less Hair View Post
To not upset our -until very recently- local partners in the fight against the Taliban.

Having trained and equipped incompetent local forces seems to be massively backfiring now.
Almost. Bur not so much to do with indigenous forces as the local folk. In a predominantly rural economy, poppies are lucrative crop for farmers that they have learned to grow over generations. Destroy the crop, they starve and are unlikely to view you favourably when you suggest you they shop the Taliban to you or adopt your strange western ideas of democracy. Since just about all males in that part of the world own a gun, they might just start supporting the bad guys. In fact, given you just destroyed their livelihood, they might even join them.
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 16:48
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Maybe instead of what we did we should have armed and weapon trained all afghan women?
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 17:09
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Less Hair, it’s that kind of blue sky thinking that is woefully lacking in our senior military leadership and politicians 😂
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 17:21
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Originally Posted by Less Hair View Post
Maybe instead of what we did we should have armed and weapon trained all afghan women?
Maybe, If you get the chance read "The Places In Between" by Rory Stewart. Rory was a former Army Officer and British MP who also served as a an Administrator in Southern Iraq during the occupation. In the winter of 2001/2 he walked across Afghanistan. The book is the story of the walk and gives a good insight into the area and the people, their attitude to their faith, life and death. You will find it quite eye opening compared with Western values.
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 17:26
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I have a good friend who went there several times with the military. Another one tried to develop their civil society.
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 17:35
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Do we, the British, have any vital strategic interests in Afghanistan?

If not, call the last 20 years "water under the bridge", with tragic loss of life, many woundings, PTSD, and the colossal waste of money coming to an end.
Let China and Russia and India and Pakistan do what they will, and keep our [very limited] noses out of it.

Probably simplistic, perhaps I need educating. Or perhaps the politicians need educating.
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 17:58
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Originally Posted by Less Hair View Post
I have a good friend who went there several times with the military. Another one tried to develop their civil society.
Then we have something in common. My son was in the military in Afghanistan as were others of my friends. Fortunately. I never got closer than Kuwait.
Doesn't really advance our understanding of the current situation though, does it?
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 18:12
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What is happening now is exactly what had been predicted unfortunately. Nothing will remain. Look what was left after the soviets left?
Back to daily terror and blowing up Buddhas with drug clans living their happy life.

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Old 12th Aug 2021, 18:33
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Probably true, But they are going to run out of Buddhas in time. Then what? Will drug running and perfecting a Sharia state satisfy them? As I said in the other thread on the subject, I reckon eventually they will start to become an international problem, perhaps in the ISIS mould. They may even attract what is left of ISIS to them.
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 18:44
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US official has said additional American troops are being sent to Afghanistan to help remove personnel from the US embassy in Kabul.

Preparing for an opposed evacuation by reinforcing the airport and a road corridor?
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 18:47
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They seem to want to move most of the embassy to the airport.
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Old 12th Aug 2021, 18:51
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Evacuation?

One of the most difficult, often practised, sometimes cocked-up, military evolutions was withdrawal on the NW Frontier. John Masters and others describe the meticulous planning and execution and gallantry needed to get it right.
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