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We seem to have drifted from the first post which was pointing out the alleged serious misconduct of the most senior Non-Commisioned Officer in the British armed forces and how (if it is to be believed) he abused his position of trust to have an extra marital affair with a junior ranks wife after the junior had approached him with alleged mental health issues. I think it matters not a jot if he is a WO1 or a Major it sounds like he's a snake and hopefully if proven he is dismissed from her Majesty's service.
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We seem to have drifted from the first post which was pointing out the alleged serious misconduct of the most senior Non-Commisioned Officer in the British armed forces and how (if it is to be believed) he abused his position of trust to have an extra marital affair with a junior ranks wife after the junior had approached him with alleged mental health issues. I think it matters not a jot if he is a WO1 or a Major it sounds like he's a snake and hopefully if proven he is dismissed from her Majesty's service.
Let us not rush to judgement on the strength of tabloid stories, but permanent reputational harm has been done to the man and the army. This is on top of two senior officers convicted for outrageous fraud..
This could all lead to a very swift remounting of medals and miniatures after one, or even possibly two deletions. But never mind - it's not all bad news since I'm led to believe that members of the Household Division get all their court-mounting on the, er, House.
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Fully agree with your sentiment, LB. Whatever the rank, whatever the allegation, it does nothing to enhance the reputation of the Armed Forces once the Scandal Papers get hold if the story.
I know … we’re all human and subject to all the associated weaknesses and failings, but one does expect higher standards from those in the higher ranks/appointments. Sadly, these expectations will be dashed on a regular basis. As they always have been, with varying degrees of public exposure. I know of many similar cases which have never seen the light of day.
I know … we’re all human and subject to all the associated weaknesses and failings, but one does expect higher standards from those in the higher ranks/appointments. Sadly, these expectations will be dashed on a regular basis. As they always have been, with varying degrees of public exposure. I know of many similar cases which have never seen the light of day.
Fully agree with your sentiment, LB. Whatever the rank, whatever the allegation, it does nothing to enhance the reputation of the Armed Forces once the Scandal Papers get hold if the story.
I know … we’re all human and subject to all the associated weaknesses and failings, but one does expect higher standards from those in the higher ranks/appointments. Sadly, these expectations will be dashed on a regular basis. As they always have been, with varying degrees of public exposure. I know of many similar cases which have never seen the light of day.
I know … we’re all human and subject to all the associated weaknesses and failings, but one does expect higher standards from those in the higher ranks/appointments. Sadly, these expectations will be dashed on a regular basis. As they always have been, with varying degrees of public exposure. I know of many similar cases which have never seen the light of day.
Example: a Mess thrash at HQRAFG ............ senior officer has his hand on a very inappropriate part of a junior officer's wife during a dance.
JO smashes senior officer in chops, blood and snot everywhere.
In the morning after, only the story remained: senior officer, junior officer and wifey all disappeared.
I missed the dance [damn!] but heard the story when I pitched up in the morning.. At coffee break the senior RAF Plod brazenly denied the very occurrence.
So I am sure it never happened.
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I won't try to top that one … my known cases were far more mundane!
WRAF Cpl emerging from Sqn Ldr’s room in the Mess in the small hours.
WRAF JO and Wg Cdr in her room in the Mess
WRAF JO and Cpl in toilet in Ops block
RAF JO and the Photographic Club, with the young models (CM, but escaped the Media)
etc etc
WRAF Cpl emerging from Sqn Ldr’s room in the Mess in the small hours.
WRAF JO and Wg Cdr in her room in the Mess
WRAF JO and Cpl in toilet in Ops block
RAF JO and the Photographic Club, with the young models (CM, but escaped the Media)
etc etc
As the "mental health Tsar", he really did his bit to help the mental health of the junior NCO who came to him for support...........what a p*ll*ck!
ARRSE going strong: clearly Haughton and Carter are not popular [except with each other].
The seniority of conductors is and always was a myth, except that between 1879 and 1881 they were the ONLY Warrant officers. At various times since before Waterloo, Hospital Mates, Schoolmasters, cavalry Troop QMs and Master Gunners held army Warrants, issued on behalf of the Sovereign, in early days by Regimental Colonels, subsequently by a Secretary of State...
In 1881 a whole raft of the most senior NCOs including sergeant-majors were warranted, and the official top grouping was defined as alphabetical, thus Conductor looked senior. The conductor was always in this top bracket but seniority within that bracket was by date of promotion or appointment, and in practice was determined by who was the expert on the ground.
Since 1989, when the RA appointed "The RA Sergeant Major" with a special badge, there has been grade and badge inflation at an absurd, Disney-style pace, emulating the USA practice..
There are now two new, exalted strata among WO Class 1 in the army: They are The Army Command Sergeant Major, and a slack handful of Command Sergeant Majors, , one for each Corps and major grouping. All at this level hold LE commissions.
The Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chiefs of Staff could, in theory, be the RN or RAF equivalent of The Army Command Sergeant Major. I would not hold my breath .........
In 1881 a whole raft of the most senior NCOs including sergeant-majors were warranted, and the official top grouping was defined as alphabetical, thus Conductor looked senior. The conductor was always in this top bracket but seniority within that bracket was by date of promotion or appointment, and in practice was determined by who was the expert on the ground.
Since 1989, when the RA appointed "The RA Sergeant Major" with a special badge, there has been grade and badge inflation at an absurd, Disney-style pace, emulating the USA practice..
There are now two new, exalted strata among WO Class 1 in the army: They are The Army Command Sergeant Major, and a slack handful of Command Sergeant Majors, , one for each Corps and major grouping. All at this level hold LE commissions.
The Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chiefs of Staff could, in theory, be the RN or RAF equivalent of The Army Command Sergeant Major. I would not hold my breath .........
There I was thinking the US Army was messed up when they began to commission Warrant Officers instead of the old traditional way of Warrant Officers being issued Warrants by the Secretary of the Army and Commissioned Officers being Commissioned by Congress. US Army Warrant Officers are "Officers" not NCO's or OR's.
You folks take this confusion to a much higher and far more confusing standard!
There I was thinking the US Army was messed up when they began to commission Warrant Officers instead of the old traditional way of Warrant Officers being issued Warrants by the Secretary of the Army and Commissioned Officers being Commissioned by Congress. US Army Warrant Officers are "Officers" not NCO's or OR's.
You folks take this confusion to a much higher and far more confusing standard!
You folks take this confusion to a much higher and far more confusing standard!
or:
once is a precedent
twice is a habit
thrice is a tradition.
once is a precedent
twice is a habit
thrice is a tradition.
There I was thinking the US Army was messed up when they began to commission Warrant Officers instead of the old traditional way of Warrant Officers being issued Warrants by the Secretary of the Army and Commissioned Officers being Commissioned by Congress. US Army Warrant Officers are "Officers" not NCO's or OR's.
You folks take this confusion to a much higher and far more confusing standard!
You folks take this confusion to a much higher and far more confusing standard!
Bike,
US Army Warrant Officers are highly skilled technicians whose primary skill is out smarting RLO's....Real Live Officers.
As you might not know.....qualifying scores to enter Warrant Officer School exceeds that of Officer Candidate School (OCS).
Only the US Army would craft a system that puts the less bright in command of the brighter ones.....with expected results.
Perhaps there are some similarities between the British Army and mine after all.
US Army Warrant Officers are highly skilled technicians whose primary skill is out smarting RLO's....Real Live Officers.
As you might not know.....qualifying scores to enter Warrant Officer School exceeds that of Officer Candidate School (OCS).
Only the US Army would craft a system that puts the less bright in command of the brighter ones.....with expected results.
Perhaps there are some similarities between the British Army and mine after all.
SAS, I don't think it was said in a derogatory manner, we were discussing the difference between an RAF warrant officer and a US Army one. I guess you are right about the similarities between us; one of the duties of a wo is to mentor junior RLOs, which was at times, dare I say, entertaining.
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Some years ago I interacted closely with the US Army National Guard on an annual basis. One of the more unusual situations was the Lt Col who had reached the age limit for his rank [or something like that] and became a CW3 instead. At least those encounters educated me on the specialised roles and status of CWs.
MPN....when an Officer gets passed over for promotion the third time and is confronted with being removed from the Army....many reverted to Warrant Officer Ranks depending upon what was offered to them.
The joke was "How long does it take to make CW3? Twenty Years if you start at Lieutenant.".
Mind you....the Senior Warrant Officer Rank is CW5.....so upon reverting to CW3....the LtCol took a small pay cut and gained a lot of prestige and respect upon becoming a Warrant Officer.
As a CW2 I was offered a Direct Commission to 1st Lieutenant....but turned it down as I knew come RIF time post Vietnam those of us that took those offers would be the first to be cut unless we had completed both Officer Basic Course and the Advanced Course.
Those schools were not going to be offered as the need was for combat unit service in Vietnam with no guarantee it would be in Aviation....and would likely be in Infantry units upon completion of the Basic Course.
Turns out I was right....vast majority of those that took the direct wound up back as Warrants or just plain Civilians.
The joke was "How long does it take to make CW3? Twenty Years if you start at Lieutenant.".
Mind you....the Senior Warrant Officer Rank is CW5.....so upon reverting to CW3....the LtCol took a small pay cut and gained a lot of prestige and respect upon becoming a Warrant Officer.
As a CW2 I was offered a Direct Commission to 1st Lieutenant....but turned it down as I knew come RIF time post Vietnam those of us that took those offers would be the first to be cut unless we had completed both Officer Basic Course and the Advanced Course.
Those schools were not going to be offered as the need was for combat unit service in Vietnam with no guarantee it would be in Aviation....and would likely be in Infantry units upon completion of the Basic Course.
Turns out I was right....vast majority of those that took the direct wound up back as Warrants or just plain Civilians.
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