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Draken Purchase Dutch F-16 For Red Air

Old 14th Jul 2021, 18:22
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Draken has signed for the Dutch F-16s, but they won't be made available until late 2022/23 IIRC.

Top Aces is one of several companies participating in the USAFís Combat Air Force (CAF) training contract, for which the F-16s will be used, no?
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Old 14th Jul 2021, 20:19
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Originally Posted by Mil-26Man View Post
Draken has signed for the Dutch F-16s, but they won't be made available until late 2022/23 IIRC.

Top Aces is one of several companies participating in the USAFís Combat Air Force (CAF) training contract, for which the F-16s will be used, no?
No, the CAF CAS contracts have all been decided and awarded. There will be more to come, but thereís nothing forthcoming unless itís a bespoke contract.
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Old 15th Jul 2021, 06:36
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Top Aces was one of seven companies awarded the $6.4 billion CAF contract in 2019, along with Air USA, Airborne Tactical Advantage Company (ATAC), Blue Air Training, Coastal Defense, Draken International, and Tactical Air Support.

Why are you saying they're not involved?
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Old 15th Jul 2021, 06:55
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Originally Posted by Mil-26Man View Post
Top Aces was one of seven companies awarded the $6.4 billion CAF contract in 2019, along with Air USA, Airborne Tactical Advantage Company (ATAC), Blue Air Training, Coastal Defense, Draken International, and Tactical Air Support.

Why are you saying they're not involved?
I didnít say theyíre not involved; read your post and my post carefully. The CAF CAS contracts have been awarded. Therefore, it might well have to be a new contract awarded to enable the Top Acesí F-16 to fly in which case itíll be competed. Top Aces do not have a contract for F-16 aggressor use.
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Old 15th Jul 2021, 08:20
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Why would getting a contract for F-16 Aggressor use be a problem for Top Aces but not for Draken?
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Old 15th Jul 2021, 09:02
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Why would getting a contract for F-16 Aggressor use be a problem for Top Aces but not for Draken?
I never said it wouldnít be a problem for Draken. I said they could alleviate some of their lines with F-16. Iím sure Top Aces could do the same, but the Draken operation out of Nellis is significantly large enough to soak up this alleviation/swapping out of aircraft for their F-16s. Further, as Draken support the Weapons School and the Flag exercises amongst others the F-16 would be a welcome addition.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 04:51
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More F-16s arriving for Top Aces https://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/51000
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Old 25th Jul 2021, 11:24
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Originally Posted by Mil-26Man View Post
Draken has signed for the Dutch F-16s, but they won't be made available until late 2022/23 IIRC. Top Aces is one of several companies participating in the USAF’s Combat Air Force (CAF) training contract, for which the F-16s will be used, no?
Need to differentiate between Contract Award, basically an approved vendors list, that allows companies to compete at the Task Order level for each of the operating locations. As Foghorn Leghorn has already stated, the current competed 6 Task Orders have been awarded (3 x ATAC, 2 x Draken, 1 x Tac Air). It will be interesting to see if any of the reaming 6 are competed in Fiscal 22. Late 22/23 is also the withdrawal date of the last aircraft, when does the FTU close, circa 5 months give or take?
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