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Old 24th Jun 2021, 07:04
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It made it in to Wikipedia about an hour after the event

2021 Black Sea Incident
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Old 24th Jun 2021, 07:30
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Originally Posted by A_Van
It is reported here that it was not "close to" but 3 km (well, about 2 NM) inside the border. And did not react to any signals sent.



Definitely, a deliberate provocation. Not a serious one though as the ship herself is not a big threat, but what was it for?
They left a Ukrainian port and were in Ukrainian waters, so what border did they cross? They had the right to cruise right in Sevastopol. Might not be wise but not illegal.
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Old 24th Jun 2021, 07:48
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I wonder if this has anything to do with the footie i.e. Russia crashing out at the bottom of their table, Ukraine going through? All a bit embarrassing for Putin.

Conflicting stories here in the UK media, including from those which had correspondents on the ship!
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The Russians simply following Putin's stated policy "не война, не мир" - not war, not peace. Like a grumbling appendix they keep reminding the west that they have an agenda such as seen in eastern Ukraine, Baltic States and the Black Sea.
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Old 24th Jun 2021, 08:11
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I think the Russians should be thanked for providing such a wonderful training opportunity. Makes a normal Thursday War seem a bit wimpish. The entire thing will be recorded and analysed. The CO acted correctly so BZ to Defender.
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Old 24th Jun 2021, 08:50
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Originally Posted by Willard Whyte
It made it in to Wikipedia about an hour after the event

2021 Black Sea Incident
The Wiki entry still shows the Russian version of events including three falsehoods.

In fact:

a. The border patrol ship carried out no warning firing

b. Bombs were not dropped along HMS Defender's route.

c. The confrontation occurred in the territorial sea of Ukraine's Russian-invaded Crimea, not the Russian Federation..

This is a classic demonstration of why one should never trust Wiki as an authoritative source.

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The RN said no bombs were dropped also. So what do you mean falsehoods? Seems all agree on that. Maybe the Beeb guy could clarify - they are the font of all truth usually, aren’t they? Errr….wait….

This was a pathetic coat trailing exercise from an ex-empire that still thinks it ‘rules the waves’ - but really just waives the rules.

You’d think Boris and his henchmen would have enough to contend with at present - like out of control COVID D and lockdown, a Scottish Parliament that wants to secede, a Northern Irish border war brewing - basically a nation disintegrating. Maybe he’s just looking for distractions?

Therell be no WWIII over this though. Putin is way ahead of the Brits, and is laughing at their pathetic efforts. He’s the only Pol in the Northern Hemisphere with real leadership skills.
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Old 24th Jun 2021, 09:13
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Originally Posted by Killaroo
The RN said no bombs were dropped also. So what do you mean falsehoods? Seems all agree on that. Maybe the Beeb guy could clarify - they are the font of all truth usually, aren’t they? Errr….wait….

This was a pathetic coat trailing exercise from an ex-empire that still thinks it ‘rules the waves’ - but really just waives the rules.

You’d think Boris and his henchmen would have enough to contend with at present - like out of control COVID D and lockdown, a Scottish Parliament that wants to secede, a Northern Irish border war brewing - basically a nation disintegrating. Maybe he’s just looking for distractions?

Therell be no WWIII over this though. Putin is way ahead of the Brits, and is laughing at their pathetic efforts. He’s the only Pol in the Northern Hemisphere with real leadership skills.
I make a point of not feeding trolls on Thursdays.

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I think we should return the favour and return fire next time they want to transit the English channel
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Originally Posted by FODPlod
I make a point of not feeding trolls on Thursdays.
There are plenty around. Many of those who just hate the UK trying to say this was a set up by the PM for publicity purposes. Absolute morons.
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Old 24th Jun 2021, 09:26
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A firm response can be salutary……

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_o...incident_(1981)
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While back, I had the task of training some Russian pilots on a UK Boeing course. Basic handling skills were there to a degree, but their attitudes and behaviours, CRM, not pretty to watch. Then the audacity to ask for my help in getting a job in europe. Unable, unwilling.
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While back, I had the task of training some Russian pilots on a UK Boeing course. Basic handling skills were there to a degree, but their attitudes and behaviours, CRM, not pretty to watch. Then the audacity to ask for my help in getting a job in europe. Unable, unwilling.
I’ve met a few Russian naval officers and we got on fairly well. They have to act like one-armed paper hangers on board their ships owing to the poor skill sets (and over dependence on vodka) of their more junior ranks but at least their government is paying them again these days.
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Maybe we should all notice that there were 3 NATO warships involved and sailing in close company, from the USA, The Netherlands, and the UK.

It was a NATO inspired and led event, NOT a British two-fingered deliberate provocation to the Russkies.

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Originally Posted by old,not bold
Maybe we should all notice that there were 3 NATO warships involved and sailing in close company, from the USA, The Netherlands, and the UK.

It was a NATO inspired and led event, NOT a British two-fingered deliberate provocation to the Russkies.
Yes, but the evil Brits are supposed to be Uncle Sam’s proxy, dontcha know, and that’s on top of the FSB’s fascination with our cathedrals.

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Keep calm and carry on.
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Originally Posted by FODPlod
that’s on top of the FSB’s fascination with our cathedrals.
I thought that particular travel agent was the GRU?
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Old 24th Jun 2021, 13:25
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Putin is way ahead of the Brits, and is laughing at their pathetic efforts. He’s the only Pol Pot in the Northern Hemisphere.
Fixed it for ya, you're welcome.
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Border control is firmly on everyone’s agenda . The closing of Syria’s Turkish border on July 10th will be very interesting .
I expect to see some interesting new tactics . The remaining food is being trucked out of that region to create a food insecurity and instability event .
putting pressure on Assad to reopen the other check point s that were being used to supply weapons .
Russia will make a lot of noise about the naval incursions as a suitable distraction to the hunger zones being created in northern Syria on the Turkish border .

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