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Old 25th Jun 2021, 20:08
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Russia's show is aimed at their domestic public. No need to get excited.
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Old 25th Jun 2021, 20:16
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Originally Posted by Killaroo View Post
Said stuff
I've seen some utter drivel posted here but that wins first prize!

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Old 25th Jun 2021, 20:22
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He sounds a bit like the vodka tasting has begun?
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Old 25th Jun 2021, 20:24
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Originally Posted by NAROBS View Post
…If that's what you want, that's what will happen.
Harry Enfield walt, but funnier.

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Old 25th Jun 2021, 20:58
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Originally Posted by Less Hair View Post
Russia's show is aimed at their domestic public. No need to get excited.
It's nothing new. They did much the same thing in 2018 when HMS Duncan was on a similar patrol. Plenty of clips on You tube.
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Old 25th Jun 2021, 21:20
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And now they have Covid peaking at home.
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Old 25th Jun 2021, 21:26
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Originally Posted by Video Mixdown View Post
It's nothing new. They did much the same thing in 2018 when HMS Duncan was on a similar patrol. Plenty of clips on You tube.
And a full-on BBC documentary series. The RN have been taking journalists and TV crews on deployments for as long as I can remember, so that's not new either.

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The game play would go
Just make sure you don't shoot down the wrong aircraft (again).
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Old 25th Jun 2021, 21:41
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You have to laugh though. One is spouting complete gibberish and the other is claiming expertise in naval strategy from Switzerland.
Well there is the letter of the law for the naval strategists


Innocent passage

I think even the most jingoist of our esteemed contributors will agree that this event was a far cry from this definition. But does anyone seriously think to the contrary ?
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Old 25th Jun 2021, 22:05
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Originally Posted by atakacs View Post
Well there is the letter of the law for the naval strategists


Innocent passage

I think even the most jingoist of our esteemed contributors will agree that this event was a far cry from this definition. But does anyone seriously think to the contrary ?
Sod off Sergei. Nothing in 19.2 was applicable. You might want to examine 25.3.

Or better still, keep whispering "Rodina stronk" to yourself and stroke that poster of Vlad by your desk. It'll be over soon.
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 10:50
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Your link points to a 'United States Naval Institute' news article which denies that the whole incident happened at all, claiming the NATO ships never left port in Odessa, and that ASI data showing the fleet approaching to 2NM from the entrance of the Russian Fleets home port was falsified. I'll bet the CIA produced the necessary evidence.
Yet the BBC website (international purveyors of truth in the media) states: "A BBC correspondent on the warship said it was harassed by Russia's military. Aircraft could be heard overhead as BBC defence correspondent Jonathan Beale filed a report from the deck of HMS Defender in the Black Sea" adding " HMS Defender was sailing from Odessa in southern Ukraine to Georgia. To get there, it passed south of the Crimea peninsula....". So they did sail, and the ASI data was correct, justifying the Russian response - and disproving the 'Innocent Passage' claims. And showing the USNI is full of it......

As to my own comments here - I don't really feel the need to justify my position. But I'll add a few points for info.
First of all - I followed the link to this thread from JetBlast and only later discovered the thread is in fact hosted on the Military Forum - a forum I have zero interest in usually as I'm not a military man and don't like echo chambers. Truth be told I don't frequent PPRuNe itself much these days, ever since the new forum software ruined it (and I hung up my wings anyway).

Next - I am a British citizen. Furthermore members of my family died for Britain - God help them. My Great Uncle was an RN seaman on HMS Aboukir when it was sunk in 1914. Look it up. In the English Channel no less....defending right of passage I suppose. He still lies at the bottom there, with 1,500 of his brothers in arms.

What galls me is that while the modern RN are off coat trailing in places they have no business to be, they are also back in the Channel escorting the people traffickers dinghy's full of economic migrants and landing them on the shores of the UK (in the midst of a pandemic) where they proceed to fan out and join their Western Christian hating brethren, and cheer on the jihadists who blow up your children. RN escorted into the UK, right over the graves of those men of 1914.
But you don't see any of this as contradictory.
I see one of those 'migrants' launched a knife attack on his German hosts just yesterday - killing three innocents on the spot and wounding several more, yet it's hardly in the news today. No mention of it on the Sky breakfast news I watched this morning.

The MSM protect their Leftist neo Marxist LGBTQ Jihadist BLM ANTIFA agenda, to the extreme detriment of the native people and culture of your nation. This is what my Great Uncle and his shipmates gave their lives for. What a shame.

You don't hear much of these kind of attacks and general societal breakdown in Russia. Putin has refused to play along with this New World Order and is strengthening the last bastion of defense of Western Christendom. More power to him.

I see the French military (unlike you pussies) have the balls to recognise this and speak out about what they see going on in their nation. They have warned Macron that a revolution is brewing in France over this crap. They were denounced by the French Government and told to shut up - military men are not allowed such opinions. Which begs the question - what are you Brits doing expressing opinions in public about international relations? Isn't there some rule about that in HM Forces?
Anyway, you have your orders. Keep poking at those nasty Russians.
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 11:42
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Originally Posted by Killaroo View Post
Your link points to a 'United States Naval Institute' news article which denies that the whole incident happened at all, claiming the NATO ships never left port in Odessa, and that ASI data showing the fleet approaching to 2NM from the entrance of the Russian Fleets home port was falsified. I'll bet the CIA produced the necessary evidence.
Yet the BBC website (international purveyors of truth in the media) states: "A BBC correspondent on the warship said it was harassed by Russia's military. Aircraft could be heard overhead as BBC defence correspondent Jonathan Beale filed a report from the deck of HMS Defender in the Black Sea" adding " HMS Defender was sailing from Odessa in southern Ukraine to Georgia. To get there, it passed south of the Crimea peninsula....". So they did sail, and the ASI data was correct, justifying the Russian response - and disproving the 'Innocent Passage' claims. And showing the USNI is full of it.......
Why are you conflating two entirely separate ‘incidents’?

a. The falsification of AIS tracks of HNLMS EVERTSEN and HMS DEFENDER from Odessa to Sevastopol on Fri 18/Sat 19 Jun despite the easily verified fact that they were berthed alongside in Odessa for the weekend.

b. The innocent passage of HMS DEFENDER off the south coast of Ukraine’s Russian-occupied Crimea on Wed 23 June while en route from Odessa to Georgia.
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 14:14
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One of the best things about threads like this is playing "spot the sock puppet", but also (given spotting them is often all too easy) seeing the tactics they use - including, but not limited to, using the internet to create a "credible" backstory and then inviting readers to check the internet to prove its veracity. Neat.

I guess despite the sizeable superannuated element on here, the potential that even some some serving folk might lurk and read as well as post makes it an especially tempting target. Whenever I see posts that are especially corrosive in relation to UK policy, and which clearly seek to chip away at how people think about it, I stroke the imaginary beard and think hmmm....

None of which is to say that the UK approach doesn't often warrant perfectly valid criticism from the many genuine folk on here. That just adds to the interest of the "spot the sock puppet" game...
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 14:23
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True it is entertaining. However a bit shocking how this sort of warfare crept into everyday life. I like all those biographic and location details the most. And then they give it all away.
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 16:39
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Missing your point. So how was it prejudicial?
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 16:42
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First its like "I am a westener like you" and then it moves on to what the central committee's, or whatever they listen to, menu du jour.
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 17:56
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Originally Posted by pasta View Post
And a full-on BBC documentary series. The RN have been taking journalists and TV crews on deployments for as long as I can remember, so that's not new either.
Who can forget 'Sailor'. "We are sailing, we are sailing.............."
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 18:05
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Originally Posted by FODPlod View Post
Why are you conflating two entirely separate ‘incidents’?
Because the poster of the USNI link intended exactly that.

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None of which is to say that the UK approach doesn't often warrant perfectly valid criticism from the many genuine folk on here. That just adds to the interest of the "spot the sock puppet" game...
If ya can't get the ball get the man, eh?
Got nothing to say but rubbish.

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First its like "I am a westener like you" and then it moves on to what the central committee's, or whatever they listen to, menu du jour.
....and again.

You lot seem to think all Westerners should join lockstep and salute whatever the lying MSM runs up the flagpole. Here's the News - the West is full of free thinking individuals who don't buy this patent spin and propaganda.
Leave Russia and Putin alone. Go look after your own back yard.
Oh - and free Julian Assange!
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 18:46
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His pericombobulations are quite spectacular. We should all be frasmotic and even compunctuous to have caused them.
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 19:17
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Originally Posted by Not_a_boffin View Post
His pericombobulations are quite spectacular. We should all be frasmotic and even compunctuous to have caused them.
Couldn't of put it better myself.

I heard that the RN is open to offers on Prince of Wales btw
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Old 26th Jun 2021, 19:40
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Originally Posted by Navaleye View Post
Couldn't of put it better myself.

I heard that the RN is open to offers on Prince of Wales btw
Not the sort of offers that involve soiling Wellington's? That would be most inadvisable.
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