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Lt Col jailed for fraud.

Old 22nd Jun 2021, 16:59
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Originally Posted by Mr N Nimrod View Post
spoken like a true shiney arsed scribbly - always handy to have one or two around, even if itís just to lend a pen
Acerbic and inaccurate, although I admit to using a pen on tours in the AFD and the DIS (amongst many others).

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The absence of the facility would lead to chaos and immobility in a day or two.
Ooooh...touched a nerve...?

Many on here would severely beg to differ on that point.
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Old 22nd Jun 2021, 17:13
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We had an NCO at RAE Bedford done for the same thing. He claimed in mitigation that the rules were so complicated that he thought he was ok to claim when he was separated from his wife because the kids were still at the same school as when living together and he would have needed to move the kids, possibly for a short time if things did not work out. I don't suppose ignorance of the rules would work well for such a senior officer. It is fair to say at some stations different command accountants would take a different view of the rules. Just as the previous we had a situation where the rule for home to duty said "direct" some understood that to mean the shortest route others the most convenient the OED says direct means simplest
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Old 22nd Jun 2021, 17:28
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Mr N you owe me a keyboard!

TR-I thought the idea of command accounts was just that-to command! There should be no doubt as to the rules and any issue should be sorted at that level. HTD is a good example-I kept a copy of a CA letter that said you could vary the distance and route for security reasons.

As for BSA/CEA I suspect a lot of claimants have pushed the boundaries over the years.
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Old 22nd Jun 2021, 21:31
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A disrespectful name given to Admin HQ on RAF Stations by people with inflated self-importance and no understanding whatsoever of what is involved in administering an RAF Station.

The absence of the facility would lead to chaos and immobility in a day or two.
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 00:53
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The absence of the facility would lead to chaos and immobility in a day or two.
Surely they could simply get the blanket stackers to take up the slack, they deal with posting stuff all over the place, as well as purchasing, so wages etc would be easy for them.
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 11:26
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Not excusing what is clearly fraud, but there seem to be too many of these CEA/fraudulent claiming cases going to court martial with officers you wouldn't expect ending up doing civilian jail time. Makes me think there are two issues - (1) the system is letting too many false claims through without proper checks and balances, ie it's too easy to perpetuate this crime and (2) the crime isn't seen as serious enough by those convicted - at the time they probably think "oh well, my wife could be living with me, it doesn't hurt anyone if she's spending more time away than technically she should". I also think there has been a policy shift to throw the book. I expect had it been MPs caught doing this, there wouldn't have been the same result.

Reading this thread reminds me I'm always amazed at how every single thread on PPRuNe miltiary only takes a few posts on the subject before it becomes "back in Swinderby in '79"!

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I wasn't there in 79
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Originally Posted by VigilantPilot View Post

Reading this thread reminds me I'm always amazed at how every single thread on PPRuNe miltiary only takes a few posts on the subject before it becomes "back in Swinderby in '79"!
Pointed at my post? It remains good advice: steal from the Crown, go to jail. What's not to get?

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Pointed at my post? It remains good advice: steal from the Crown, go to jail. What's not to get?

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No personal attack meant, if I used your words it was only because I had most recently read them so I apologise if it came across wrong. It's the same on any post on this sub-forum.
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Originally Posted by VigilantPilot View Post
No personal attack meant, if I used your words it was only because I had most recently read them so I apologise if it came across wrong. It's the same on any post on this sub-forum.
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The lesson I learned from Betty Windsor's shooting club was it doesn't matter if it's 1 penny or a million pounds, the charge will still be same if you fiddle a claim. That has always stuck with me, especially in dealing with those who didn't learn the lesson. The comment in the Daily Fail article about the hapless Lt Col offering to pay back all the money is hilarious - "you caught me, but I'll pay you back" is a great defence ploy.
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The Court took the correct decision, imo, and the sentencing was appropriate. Quite unbelievable what occurred.
The intention was clear and no excuses.
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Criminal Record. Whom from the boys club will employ him? Someone will. Enough said. My industry, a CRB check will kill career.
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The regulations must be quite well written and crystal clear to snag so many people and get them prison time?!

Quite rare to see MOD regulations written to such a high standard...
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He is only a Lt Col [or was]. Hardly Boys' Club material.

Even rural Golf Club secretary rates higher.
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Old 24th Jun 2021, 20:23
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Originally Posted by langleybaston View Post
He is only a Lt Col [or was]. Hardly Boys' Club material.

Even rural Golf Club secretary rates higher.
Perhaps. You have always been Mister. So am I (and have been for some time now). So happy my military pension has now been index linked. I can book a SAGA holiday now as well.
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Perhaps. You have always been Mister. So am I (and have been for some time now). So happy my military pension has now been index linked. I can book a SAGA holiday now as well.
Best status was being attached to the RAF ....... never called anyone sir below Gp Capt, and that not for ever, all the fun, all the perks, all the privileges, no nasty itchy uniforms except on exercises, not much CS gas, not many bangs, good pay, super pension, great memories, good friends.

And we won the Cold War, much of which we spent in places where the next siren might mean Armageddon.

Enjoy the holiday...
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Originally Posted by Two's in View Post
The lesson I learned from Betty Windsor's shooting club was it doesn't matter if it's 1 penny or a million pounds, the charge will still be same if you fiddle a claim. That has always stuck with me, especially in dealing with those who didn't learn the lesson. The comment in the Daily Fail article about the hapless Lt Col offering to pay back all the money is hilarious - "you caught me, but I'll pay you back" is a great defence ploy.
Probably learnt from watching BBC parliament, Where MP's caught fiddling are allowed to do this AND keep the job !!
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Originally Posted by langleybaston View Post
Best status was being attached to the RAF ....... never called anyone sir below Gp Capt, and that not for ever, all the fun, all the perks, all the privileges, no nasty itchy uniforms except on exercises, not much CS gas, not many bangs, good pay, super pension, great memories, good friends.

And we won the Cold War, much of which we spent in places where the next siren might mean Armageddon.

Enjoy the holiday...
You really have an issue with History. People like myself won the Cold War. Sitting in a Sangar. You never did. Cold War was won by people allowed to ply their living by merit. With protection. Even the Tories understood that. You are a civilian and always will be. I have hot war stories. I was a serviceman. I was an RAF aircraft technician. I made the oath.
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