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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 18:13
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Originally Posted by Haraka View Post
Don't tell me.
First of all the demands to deploy with Harrier Force in the field in RAFG ( to do what exactly?)
Followed by a stream of conditions to build facilities (in the field) to separate the girls from the boys.

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Surely that is part of the problem, having male and female accommodation. To integrate fully you need mixed accommodation, you can change the names of everything to be all inclusive, but until you go fully intergrated you’re just pissing around the edges. I don’t book into a hotel and get sent to a male only building, so why have any difference..

https://partner.sciencenorway.no/for...gender/1398746
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 20:52
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Originally Posted by MPN11 View Post
Ha! DWRAF (or was it DDWRAF?) visited RAF Stanley in ‘83, reviewing the suitability for WRAF deployments. I escorted her to our Tactical AR1 site in the rocks on the north side of the airfield ... through the mud. “Where are your ablution facilities here?” she enquired. One of my FS controllers answered ... “You’re standing on them, Ma’am.” I don’t know if Stanley ever got WRAF staff.
They arrived at Stanley in around '85 I believe. Up 'til then, everything went swimmingly. Bring a Boss nights in the JRM next to the Flotel were a good way of meeting up with the lads who you didn't meet at work every day and often broke the ice. After the girls arrived, they set up little friendships with the lads, and at one BaB night, a JO was chatting amiably with one of the WRAFs on his section. Unfortunately, a young stud thought that this was someone moving in on his girlfriend and attacked him with a bottle. The aftermath? BaB evenings were banned and it became a them and us. On another occasion, one of the WRAFs who was circulating through airmen dumped her current "boyfriend" who subsequently got very drunk and smashed the windows of several Land Rovers parked outside the Flotel. There were lots of examples: the mobile Met Forecasters stated that the Christmas of '85 was the bleakest that they had. Rather than be invited to parties, they found that all the WRAFs had been invited instead, and with number limits being enforced then the Met Men were excluded. At this time, I tried to book an Eric to take one of my shifts on their 4 day mid-tour R&R to a farm on West Falkland. I could not get one, because the Erics were busy ferrying WRAFs to and from the various parties at the outposts and radar sites. (The chaps used one of their annual travel warrants to go via FIGAS). I could go on, but time and space prevents me from mentioning all of the problems that having just 35 WRAFs at Stanley on a camp of around 700 men caused after things had run smoothly for a couple of years.
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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 21:21
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Amazing.

I was Ops 1 at station operations RAF Stanley June to October 1985, and your description bears no resemblance to what I remember.

(I was also station Flight Safety Officer and at the same time we had the mid-air between the C-130 and Sea King, but that’s a different story)…

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Old 2nd Jun 2021, 21:29
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Separate quarters ....now hold on fellas....that is not "woke" at all.

Then too....we. have to have a score card to identify the different players by uniform....male, female, male identifying as female, female identifying as male, either identifying as neither, Black, White, Tan, Brown...Purple....how far do you go in dividing us all into various groupings these days and that leaves out the Religious followings or not to boot.
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 08:03
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Talking

As a retiree my opinion is obviously irrelevant but I could have saved the MOD a few quid by suggesting that we adopt the tried and tested non gender specific titles of 'Aircrew' for the flyers and 'Blunties' for everyone else except engineers who would be called 'Techies'? Obviously anyone who failed to make the grade in any of those trades would still be called 'Movers'.
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 08:07
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That is the first sensible post on this thread. Bravo.

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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 08:11
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As a retiree my opinion is obviously irrelevant but I could have saved the MOD a few quid by suggesting that we adopt the tried and tested non gender specific titles of 'Aircrew' for the flyers and 'Blunties' for everyone else except engineers who would be called 'Techies'? Obviously anyone who failed to make the grade in any of those trades would still be called 'Movers'.
Don’t forget the ‘Scopies”….
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 11:55
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Jockey

Ungendered and then you can have Desk Jockeys, Jet Jockeys, Tech Jockeys….
Scope jockey. I like it. Let's do it!
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 12:00
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"REMF's"....not "Movers".
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 15:33
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Don’t forget the ‘Scopies”….
Hear hear!

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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 16:23
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
Nick 1,

So you think that the lack of the ability to discriminate, be rude, objectify and suppress will somehow "extinguish" mankind?
Good old pr00ne always can be relied on for virtue signaling ...
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 20:46
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So much for Google’s head of diversity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57342967
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 21:08
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Google sure took a stand there didn't they...removed from the "Diversity Team"....not removed from Employment...and no mention of who did the vetting of that clown and what became of their employment.

"I apologize!".....oh my but that is rich!

Google should go stand in the corner with a pointy. hat on top of its Head.
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 23:35
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MEMORANDUM FOR SENIOR PENTAGON LEADERSHIP COMMANDERS OF THE COMBATANT COMMANDS DEFENSE AGENCY AND DOD FIELD ACTIVITY DIRECTORS

SUBJECT: Promoting and Protecting the Human Rights of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and lntersex Persons Around the World

On February 4, 2021 , the President issued a memorandum (TAB A) directing all U.S. departments and agencies that engage abroad or are involved in foreign aid, assistance, and development programs to undertake a number of actions related to promoting and protecting the human rights of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, and lntersex (LGBTQI+) persons. The DoD is defined in the Presidential Memorandum as both an agency engaged abroad and an agency involved in foreign aid, assistance, and development programs.

In accordance with the Presidential Memorandum, it is the policy of the DoD to pursue an end to violence and discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, or sex characteristics, and DoD will lead by example in the cause of advancing the human rights of LGBTQI+ persons around the world. To effect this policy and as directed in the Presidential Memorandum, as consistent with applicable law and within their responsibilities, DoD Components shall:

• Strengthen existing efforts to combat the crimjnalization by foreign governments of LGBTQI+ status or conduct and expand efforts to combat discrimination, homophobia, transphobia, and intolerance on the basis of LGBTQI+ status or conduct.

• Expand ongoing efforts to ensure regular DoD engagement with governments, citizens, civil society, and the private sector to promote respect for the human rights of LGBTQI+ persons and combat discrimination.

• Consider the impact of programs funded by DoD on human rights, including the rights of LGBTQI+ persons, when making funding decisions.

• Strengthen the work DoD has done and initiate additional efforts with other nations, bilaterally and within multilateral fora and international organizations, to: counter discrimination on the basis of LGBTQI+ status or conduct; broaden the number of countries willing to support and defend the human rights of LGBTQI+ persons; strengthen the role, including in multilateral fora, of civil society advocates on behalf of the human rights of LGBTQI+ persons; and strengthen the policies and programming of multilateral institutions, including with respect to protecting vulnerable LGBTQI+ refugees and asylum seekers.
Promoting and Protecting the Human Rights of LGBTQI+ Persons Around the World (airforcemag.com)
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Old 4th Jun 2021, 00:44
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One person's opinion.....if you have to use descriptive terms, hypenation, and labels....you are the problem.

If we stuck to People, Persons, Justice, Equality, Respect....and terms like that....we would all be better served.

Example....let's omit Racial Justice and stick to the simple notion of Justice...which applies to each and every one of us.

Or....let's stick to "Lives Matter" or even "All Lives Matter"....which oddly enough covers us all...everyone of us.
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Old 4th Jun 2021, 10:54
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
One person's opinion.....if you have to use descriptive terms, hypenation, and labels....you are the problem.

If we stuck to People, Persons, Justice, Equality, Respect....and terms like that....we would all be better served.

Example....let's omit Racial Justice and stick to the simple notion of Justice...which applies to each and every one of us.

Or....let's stick to "Lives Matter" or even "All Lives Matter"....which oddly enough covers us all...everyone of us.
Now that is the best post so far on this thread and will be hard to beat! Get's my vote.
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Old 4th Jun 2021, 11:22
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Correct, listing individual "life style choices" for want of better words, you are defining them as something other than the norm, it should simply have included everyone in the military. In a similiar way I mentioned accomodation and the fact it should be dual sex, the Norgies have tried it and it works, see the link

https://partner.sciencenorway.no/for...gender/1398746

I remember reading that in the UK the SLAM accomodation for the Army was arranged around 6ish beds to a room, to foster a close relationship amongst a squad, surely if you have females in that squad they too should be included.
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Old 5th Jun 2021, 04:53
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As this idea & master plan seems to affect mainly the UK military, is it possibly the time for some comments & action from the Chief of the Defense Staff & his Senior Officers. Perhaps a quiet, or not so word in a Ministers ear might help.
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Old 5th Jun 2021, 07:31
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To say what? That the Armed Forces want to run their own social policy? They're supposed to reflect society , not be seperate from it.
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Old 5th Jun 2021, 07:50
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I see that the newly painted display Typhoon is referred to as "Blackjack".

Taking bets now as to how long it takes before someone takes offence and it has to be renamed.
Post suggestions for alternates below...
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